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GulfCoast66

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155. Fully support this move.

Sat May 15, 2021, 11:37 PM

May 2021

We now have more than just studies of the Vaccine in trials. We have real life evidence. Over 100,000,000 million subjects in this study.

If fully vaccinated you have a one in 10,000 chance of getting Covid. Just under 1 in 1,000,000 chance of dying from it. And the Asymptomatic cases have such a low virus load they are unlikely to pass it on. That is what the CDC has to consider. So they correctly said fully vaccinated people are safe. Because we are.

The CDC does not consider these odds enough to take drastic actions.

But now the heart of the matter. The unvaccinated and the dishonest and anti maskers. They will not followed the rules. That’s not what scientist do. It’s up to politicians to change behavior. Not scientists. We state the facts as they currently appear.

The CDC and science in general can’t base their recommendations on the shitty decisions many Americans will make.

Their recommendation is true. If vaccinated you are safe. If not vaccinated keep distancing and wearing masks.

So after a year of criticizing the other guy’s administration for politicizing the CDC we want to do the same? Telling fully vaccinated people they are still at risk, which is bullshit.

And apparently some are angry Biden did not know about the recommendations? Is that not what we have wanted for the last 4 years? Science decisions not run through politicians.

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I cannot help feeling this way. The CDC under Biden has just screwn [View all] boston bean May 2021 OP

Maximum respect, but I WHOLEHEARTEDLY disagree with you MerryHolidays May 2021 #1

Nation's largest nurses union condemns new CDC guidance on masks NullTuples May 2021 #111

Thank you for being one of the very few people to post something specific like this MerryHolidays May 2021 #114

"this was a risk-based analysis." for the vaxed for the unvaxible this screams disaster to do uponit7771 May 2021 #165

Our family has been getting vaxxed as soon as our age tiers open NullTuples May 2021 #221

I agree...im simmering inside every time I go out the last 2 days... FirstLight May 2021 #2

to clarify... I am seeing way more of the population in my town unmasked than % that are vaxxed FirstLight May 2021 #6

The opposite here... Eyeball_Kid May 2021 #38

The opposite in Raleigh, NC. SMC22307 May 2021 #170

You definitely should. You are only day two of the two weeks until fully vaccinated jimfields33 May 2021 #37

Ordered a grocery delivery tonight, kept me out of the store on a Sunday. sarcasmo May 2021 #137

I agree with you 100%.... OhioChick May 2021 #3

If there was a vax database we might have been able to exclude these persons boston bean May 2021 #5

Got that right! Rebl2 May 2021 #21

+1, there will be a surge post memorial day weekend and HC workers will be swamped and uponit7771 May 2021 #164

So, Let Me Get This Straight ProfessorGAC May 2021 #4

Ummm it was easier to enforce a mask for all policy. boston bean May 2021 #7

ding! ...and they WON'T get vaccinated, which screws up herd immunity FirstLight May 2021 #10

Not really. They have chosen to gain immunity by getting the disease. NNadir May 2021 #68

"Overall, the effect will be to raise the intellectual level of the public" dweller May 2021 #98

I'm not quite as confident about being wnylib May 2021 #101

I'm in Western New York (Erie County). A friend of my aunt is in the hospital right now on a vent liberal_mama May 2021 #118

I think from the number of cases like wnylib May 2021 #135

There is increasing evidence that antibodies are only a small part of the story. NNadir May 2021 #122

Great post. Thanks for this. Native May 2021 #128

The NPR program was not a discussion wnylib May 2021 #154

You, like the media, are raising specific cases to characterize the general. NNadir May 2021 #166

Silly ProfessorGAC May 2021 #11

Biden projected 70% vaccinated by early July boston bean May 2021 #13

That's what is bothering me about this abrupt decision. It doesn't make sense to me. liberal_mama May 2021 #54

+2 appalachiablue May 2021 #139

In most states there are no mask mandates. GulfCoast66 May 2021 #140

Again, this is not about the vaccinated. It is about the recommendation and boston bean May 2021 #146

With respect, I don't see your point. The CDC is supposed to do science. GulfCoast66 May 2021 #156

People will not follow the CDC recommendation. boston bean May 2021 #159

It does not. But that my point. GulfCoast66 May 2021 #167

Communities follow their recommendations. boston bean May 2021 #168

Depends where you live. Means almost nothing in Florida GulfCoast66 May 2021 #183

I would rather they had said yes it is safe for vaccinated persons boston bean May 2021 #184

Fair enough. But telling people you are safe without a mask, but should still wear one GulfCoast66 May 2021 #194

The people that aren't vaccinated WON't get vaccinated. CrackityJones75 May 2021 #171

That is just not true. boston bean May 2021 #172

What is not true? CrackityJones75 May 2021 #179

That the all unvaxed are anti vax or mask holes. boston bean May 2021 #180

I said there is no excuse. CrackityJones75 May 2021 #185

Umm a vaccine is not available for those under age of 12, immunocompromised boston bean May 2021 #186

Funny I got mine in a rural area. CrackityJones75 May 2021 #189

Excellent post! beaglelover May 2021 #190

It takes time. And everyone is not you. boston bean May 2021 #191

Damn straight! Agree 100%. beaglelover May 2021 #173

here's where the SCIENCE doesn't jive... FirstLight May 2021 #9

Bad Analysis ProfessorGAC May 2021 #14

Umm, again, I had covid, and got the vax. Which group you counting me in? boston bean May 2021 #15

ok thanks... FirstLight May 2021 #24

No, not right. former9thward May 2021 #66

I guess it's the math FirstLight May 2021 #89

Then you should recognize the flaws in the CDC's use of the data. Ms. Toad May 2021 #102

Fully vaxxed people wearing masks... Happy Hoosier May 2021 #76

This is about the recommendation. boston bean May 2021 #78

I get that... but it seems to me.... Happy Hoosier May 2021 #86

When under 40% of the country is vaxed I think it does come into play. boston bean May 2021 #88

By deffinition Zeitghost May 2021 #206

The science ***DOES*** say spread will get worse if those who aren't vaxed don't social ... uponit7771 May 2021 #17

Even if you have been vaccinated you still have a 5% chance of getting the virus. marie999 May 2021 #20

But you won't die or be hospitalized if you are vaxed. beaglelover May 2021 #28

A very tiny percentage of vaxxed people could still die from COVID19. Blue_true May 2021 #151

Very very tiny percentage. beaglelover May 2021 #152

Correct, it is very tiny. Blue_true May 2021 #153

You can still get loved ones sick, if people have small children for instance uponit7771 May 2021 #160

You are assuming that everyone who gets the vaccine makes lots of antibodies womanofthehills May 2021 #110

I am sure elderly persons do not make as many. boston bean May 2021 #121

A 5% chance of getting the virus, luvtheGWN May 2021 #127

5% chance? Where are you seeing this? GulfCoast66 May 2021 #130

I've read 0.05%, but I haven't seen a figure as high as 5% ... where are you getting that? fishwax May 2021 #132

I know. Their position makes NO sense! beaglelover May 2021 #25

Mild covid cases can cause health issues for that person forever. boston bean May 2021 #31

The good science that says it will protect us assumes that people are getting it in the first place. Gore1FL May 2021 #40

a vaccine is not magic Bmoboy May 2021 #62

Less than half the country are vaccinated iemanja May 2021 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill May 2021 #8

another good point... FirstLight May 2021 #12

Forbes has an article out about this womanofthehills May 2021 #116

Maybe Booster shots are off the table now if we can run around maskless now! liberal_mama May 2021 #193

Thread trashed! LW1977 May 2021 #16

Good move! beaglelover May 2021 #30

Like yours were? Nt USALiberal May 2021 #142

I have no idea if some people trashed my thread. beaglelover May 2021 #150

You're all over all these threads. Treefrog May 2021 #187

So are you. It's a discussion board. You clearly want us to wear masks until we die. beaglelover May 2021 #188

Covid isn't a natural way to live either. boston bean May 2021 #199

"It is NOT a natural way to live." tenderfoot May 2021 #209

I'm fully vaccinated. How am I a risk to others??? beaglelover May 2021 #210

I'm glad you think of only yourself. tenderfoot May 2021 #211

Great! So I'm not a risk to others. Thanks! beaglelover May 2021 #216

Not until you are. tenderfoot May 2021 #217

Here's where we are: Mr.Bill May 2021 #18

They were never going to get vaxxed anyway bucolic_frolic May 2021 #19

So, we are risking more surges for a psychological experiment? boston bean May 2021 #22

The psychological experiment will not work liberal_mama May 2021 #113

Wholeheartedly Agree! SheltieLover May 2021 #23

CDC "lying," CDC "disgraced,"... SMC22307 May 2021 #174

Cdc admitted to lying about masks at beginning of pandemic. SheltieLover May 2021 #176

Are you really.. Zeitghost May 2021 #207

Are you really questioning what they said? SheltieLover May 2021 #208

"A rant worthy of Meghan McCain"? That's quite rude and offensive. George II May 2021 #212

Care to provide some evidence? brooklynite May 2021 #26

I'm vaccinated. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2021 #27

Yeah, not good advice. I know two friends who have just tested positive after being fully vaxed... FailureToCommunicate May 2021 #29

The recommendation should have been metric based. boston bean May 2021 #32

But did they get seriously ill and require hospitalization? n/t Yavin4 May 2021 #46

Even if that's not the case they can spread it to small children or others who can't get vaxed now uponit7771 May 2021 #161

No, but each lost days of work being quarantined. Both (separately) got it from a positive stranger FailureToCommunicate May 2021 #181

I hope your friends are ok! SheltieLover May 2021 #177

They are. Thanks. No real symptoms, but they each lost work while quarantining. FailureToCommunicate May 2021 #182

Glad they are ok! SheltieLover May 2021 #196

Each fully vaxed (and wearing masks when likely contacted positive persons) but their work... FailureToCommunicate May 2021 #218

Let the mask holes be mask holes Bluesaph May 2021 #33

Nursing organizations condemn the CDC rec, CDC wont be working on maskholes post memorial day uponit7771 May 2021 #162

One should ask, why did I get vaccinated? I think speaknow May 2021 #34

There are many reasons. Look them up. boston bean May 2021 #35

Please provide some evidence Yavin4 May 2021 #45

Children, immunocompromised. boston bean May 2021 #48

Children 12 and older will soon be able to get the vaccine. Yavin4 May 2021 #61

Do you know and is there science on the possible long term efffects on children who have had a mild boston bean May 2021 #64

So, your solution is that everyone should wear masks indefintely? Yavin4 May 2021 #67

No. Biden said we would have 70% vaxed by July. boston bean May 2021 #70

But the long term effects will still be a question in July. No? n/t Yavin4 May 2021 #82

Umm we are under 40% vaxed right now. 70% would be much much better. boston bean May 2021 #83

Biden said 70% of adults at least 1 shot by July, we're at 60% now n/t mathematic May 2021 #195

Yeah. Are we at 70%? boston bean May 2021 #198

I'm correcting your misleading rhetoric about Biden's claim mathematic May 2021 #201

Does it change the fact that less than 40% of people are fully vaccinated? boston bean May 2021 #202

Agreed. As a vaccinated parent of a 10 year old, I'm not really worried about COVID. Ace Rothstein May 2021 #99

13% of kids have long term effects of COVID and even if they didn't who in the fuck would uponit7771 May 2021 #163

This. sheshe2 May 2021 #222

You discount new data...it is not on some political timeline... ashredux May 2021 #36

What changed with the covid situation in the US in like one week? boston bean May 2021 #41

World wide data on effectiveness of the vaccines...as well as new US data ashredux May 2021 #51

I am sorry but he is not infallible. He essentially lied to the public under trump boston bean May 2021 #53

Sorry..but I don't think your data is correct....what lie? ashredux May 2021 #55

It is well documented. Look it up. boston bean May 2021 #56

Ah...No...you made a claim. Support it. Rather simple... ashredux May 2021 #59

Nope. You question it you do your own research. boston bean May 2021 #60

You just lost this one...if you make a claim and can't support it, or even say what was a lie.. ashredux May 2021 #63

I'm not playing some game. You question something someone says on the internet, boston bean May 2021 #69

False? What Lie? You said he lied...name the lie. ashredux May 2021 #71

I did already. boston bean May 2021 #72

Then why not answer my question....what lie? You can't...name your source...you won't ashredux May 2021 #74

Because I don't answer to you. boston bean May 2021 #81

Post removed Post removed May 2021 #85

Alright. I changed my mind and decided to help you out. Here you go. boston bean May 2021 #117

And who could forget months of "Masks do not protect you. They protect others". Cetacea May 2021 #123

If he knew. How did fauci not know. boston bean May 2021 #124

All you have to do is watch footage from early in the pandemic. Treefrog May 2021 #178

Agreed. Evolve Dammit May 2021 #75

Who are the unvaxed and unmasked (in majority)? Justice matters. May 2021 #133

The percentage of people not fully vaxed is way more than that. boston bean May 2021 #134

Those who truly want the vaccines are perhaps on the way to get them. Justice matters. May 2021 #144

I'll go with President Biden on this... VarryOn May 2021 #39

Agree 100%. beaglelover May 2021 #42

I hate wearing one. boston bean May 2021 #43

I'm with you...but... VarryOn May 2021 #52

I disagree. Yavin4 May 2021 #44

Think it all the way through... Woodycall May 2021 #47

Why are you thinking I am anti science. My views are on solid science ground. boston bean May 2021 #50

Not aimed at you personally Woodycall May 2021 #87

The M$M and those same doctors who told us last year that we didn't need masks... Kahuna May 2021 #49

I'm fine with this ... FarPoint May 2021 #57

I don't agree. IMO Joe Biden made a good, rational, common sense decision. Baked Potato May 2021 #58

Interesting, balanced article from Gizmodo on this topic EarlG May 2021 #65

Hi earl I appreciate the article. But this is not about the already vaxed. boston bean May 2021 #77

I understand EarlG May 2021 #91

Because children and immunocompromised. boston bean May 2021 #95

Children and the immunocompromised will continue to mask EarlG May 2021 #105

I,agree on the science. I do not agree with the timing. boston bean May 2021 #108

I hear you EarlG May 2021 #115

I am in MA. And I had covid and I had Moderna x2. I am sure I am safe. boston bean May 2021 #120

The numbers are down because of the mask mandates. sheshe2 May 2021 #220

Those who refuse to get vaccinated Sur Zobra May 2021 #192

+1. Also, the CDC just clarified that K-12 schools should maintain mask requirements for everyone dalton99a May 2021 #84

That's the right call because under 12s can't get vaxxed yet EarlG May 2021 #92

Also +1. This step toward normality is possible because of competent government Hortensis May 2021 #203

I agree Skittles May 2021 #73

There needed to be a benefit for getting the vaccine Lettuce Be May 2021 #79

Problem is, they just gave people a reason Mr.Bill May 2021 #90

99% of those people are never getting vaccinated. Ace Rothstein May 2021 #100

Make them wear masks, don't allow them on public transportation, Mr.Bill May 2021 #104

The rest of us don't need to continue going out of our way in the meantime. Ace Rothstein May 2021 #106

I do not believe that to be the case. boston bean May 2021 #107

I believe they have more conculsive studies then we have read FloridaBlues May 2021 #80

You really don't want COVID to end, do you? Ace Rothstein May 2021 #94

Ridiculous. boston bean May 2021 #97

Very true! beaglelover May 2021 #147

Hey, Ace. sheshe2 May 2021 #223

I agree rockfordfile May 2021 #96

My daughter, Sascha, was quoted in this AP article (below) on masking. She was a Biden delegate deurbano May 2021 #103

Thank you Sascha! H2O Man May 2021 #112

Still dweller May 2021 #109

My gods, people, just chill out. THIS is what you are all going to throw Biden under the bus for? Hekate May 2021 #119

Anyone not vaccinated by now eissa May 2021 #125

What percentage of anti vax people are ther in the US? Do you know? boston bean May 2021 #126

WaPo says Biden was not informed of the decision/announcement or involved in it? Grasswire2 May 2021 #129

I can't read the article, but if this was the case I am appalled. boston bean May 2021 #131

I can't at the moment either. Grasswire2 May 2021 #136

"error not deliberate" the person who read it said to me. nt Grasswire2 May 2021 #138

In what way was it wrong? boston bean May 2021 #141

we need someone to post excerpt here nt Grasswire2 May 2021 #145

I just finished reading this article 10 mins appalachiablue May 2021 #143

Can u cut and paste it for us? boston bean May 2021 #148

Partial, no space for the full 'timeline' & extras: appalachiablue May 2021 #157

thank you Grasswire2 May 2021 #158

The CDC appears to be basing decisions on science. Blue_true May 2021 #149

Fully support this move. GulfCoast66 May 2021 #155

Partially agree, but since the President wasn't TraceNC May 2021 #169

the CDC isn't in the business of social punishment fescuerescue May 2021 #175

I agree the CDC messaging on this is terrible. The federal government has NEVER issued SweetieD May 2021 #197

Breaking news BannonsLiver May 2021 #200

Not about feelings, but the science... JCMach1 May 2021 #204

This is what people don't want to hear. SoonerPride May 2021 #214

What the CDC said vs. what many people hear DBoon May 2021 #205

If infection rates climb it will be among the unvaccinated SoonerPride May 2021 #213

I hate to see stupid mean people die DBoon May 2021 #215

Yeah it's a real crying shame of natural selection. SoonerPride May 2021 #219