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73. well i'm serious that "some say", as i've heard it from multiple sources.

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 03:44 PM

Oct 2012

but whether or not those people got it originally as a joke, i can't say.

i do know that mclame's father was an admiral at the time, so it's hardly out of the question that they had presidential hopes for their newborn son. but keep in mind, LOTS of parents want to keep that option open for their kids, even if they should realize the odds of it actually happening are horrendous.

heck, we always talked about my mother becoming president, and how silly it was that she was ineligible because she was born in austria but was moved to america as a baby. 100% of her memories of growing up are in america. of course she never would have had a realistic chance to become president anyway, but that didn't keep us from talking about it.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] LynneSin Oct 2012 OP

its okay if your a white republican... Historic NY Oct 2012 #1

Thats it in a nutshell madokie Oct 2012 #14

Romney's birth certificate evokes his father's controversy DonViejo Oct 2012 #30

Good question. kentuck Oct 2012 #2

I think it's because both of his parents were American citizens catbyte Oct 2012 #3

Yes, BUT if he was Mexican he'd have a better chance of winning the election mucifer Oct 2012 #4

Gay and Mexican FogerRox Oct 2012 #76

Plus he was Republican. Barack_America Oct 2012 #8

But I thought as long as one parent was a US Citizen then you are an American Citizen LynneSin Oct 2012 #10

ding...whichmkes the birther shit that much more stupid. even is he WAS born in kenya.. still dionysus Oct 2012 #27

Yup, that is my understanding as well. eom City Lights Oct 2012 #34

Actually, that's not quite true. Recovered Repug Oct 2012 #83

The issue came down to George's parents not relinguishing US citizenship HereSince1628 Oct 2012 #5

It also means he should have "self-deported" by Mitt's immigration standards. Barack_America Oct 2012 #6

There were no "necessary steps" jberryhill Oct 2012 #9

I'm no expert on 1907 immigration law, but by todays' standards "steps" would need to be taken. Barack_America Oct 2012 #21

Foreign colonies of "US citizens" was one of the reasons why it was changed jberryhill Oct 2012 #25

No. George's parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth, making George a USC. leveymg Oct 2012 #35

Looking into it further then, were the Romney's EVER US citizens? Barack_America Oct 2012 #53

That's an interesting question. But, it's likely that anyone who was born in Utah became a USC leveymg Oct 2012 #59

If George's parents were born and raised in Mexico treestar Oct 2012 #66

What is up with that is... jberryhill Oct 2012 #7

I never said they renounced but that they fled the country so they could practice Polygamy LynneSin Oct 2012 #17

Okay, so the children of draft evaders who went to Canada are not US citizens? jberryhill Oct 2012 #23

I started this post to understand LynneSin Oct 2012 #24

Polygamy? earthside Oct 2012 #29

Because the GOP hadn't lost its fricking mind yet. tanyev Oct 2012 #11

"Native-born" US Citz means not Naturalized. Romney was born a USC, so no need. leveymg Oct 2012 #12

George Romney not natural born unc70 Oct 2012 #26

USC by birth not conveyed under any "uniform rules for naturalization". Concepts are exclusive. leveymg Oct 2012 #31

GR citizen by law, not natural born citizen by birth unc70 Oct 2012 #45

No. If he had been naturalized, he'd be a citizen by law. The INA may contain definitions, but does leveymg Oct 2012 #49

George Romney citizen by law, not Constitution unc70 Oct 2012 #61

Yes. But, Mittens -- and Obama -- were born citizens, regardless of the nationality of parents leveymg Oct 2012 #64

We very much agree. Both Obama & Mitt NB citizens unc70 Oct 2012 #67

There was never anything natural about John McCain . . . leveymg Oct 2012 #75

The tem is not "native born": The Constitution says "natural born." WinkyDink Oct 2012 #40

Same thing. Now, as for citizenship by birth, read the 14th Amendment. leveymg Oct 2012 #50

imagine if Obama's grandparents FLED THE UNITED STATES to engage in polygamy? just imagine.... spanone Oct 2012 #13

He'd been drawn and quartered a long time ago madokie Oct 2012 #16

If Mitt Romney was a democrat and something other than White... LynneSin Oct 2012 #20

Wait a second. You're just now realizing this? ancianita Oct 2012 #15

I try not to think about Romney's Mormon religion or family history LynneSin Oct 2012 #19

Laws are for the 47% to abide by. Hubert Flottz Oct 2012 #18

Has he presented his birth certificate??? barnabas63 Oct 2012 #22

Republican geography 101: lalalu Oct 2012 #28

Just so you know it's not Mitt's citizenship I am asking about LynneSin Oct 2012 #37

Why not? Romney is an anchor baby. lalalu Oct 2012 #43

"I am all for throwing the republican talking points right back at them." KansDem Oct 2012 #57

Thanks, LMAO lalalu Oct 2012 #58

They outsourced their polygamy KurtNYC Oct 2012 #32

How many Grandmothers did he have?? kooljerk666 Oct 2012 #33

Most human beings, being human beings, have two grandmothers: one maternal; one paternal. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #41

Geaneology is not my bag... kooljerk666 Oct 2012 #44

"so they could flee US government persecution" --- I'll have to take issue with "persecution"; it's WinkyDink Oct 2012 #36

Spam deleted by CaliforniaPeggy (MIR Team) dougshreff Oct 2012 #38

and by the way, he went on welfare when he came back to the U.S. n/t Enrique Oct 2012 #39

My niece was born on the island of Okinawa, but she is a US citizen and will be qualified... slackmaster Oct 2012 #42

35. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #46

Yes, you are correct. 25 for the House, 30 for the Senate, 35 for President. slackmaster Oct 2012 #48

Was her parents station in Okinawa? LynneSin Oct 2012 #54

My brother is a Naval officer. He was stationed in Japan. slackmaster Oct 2012 #60

So that's the situation with McCain and thus no question about her birth LynneSin Oct 2012 #62

Actually, McCain was in exactly the same COLGATE4 Oct 2012 #47

actually, a law was passed when mclame was a child unblock Oct 2012 #51

I believe that it only applied to those born in the "Canal Zone" - considered a US territory. IggleDoer Oct 2012 #68

LOL dems_rightnow Oct 2012 #70

well i'm serious that "some say", as i've heard it from multiple sources. unblock Oct 2012 #73

Yes but McCains parents weren't in Panama to escape US Laws LynneSin Oct 2012 #55

I want Romney to denounce his father's presidential run as un-constitutional krispos42 Oct 2012 #52

When George Romney runs again, we should make an issue of it! n/t hughee99 Oct 2012 #56

Seriously? Why do people feel compelled to play the same idiotic game that teabaggers cali Oct 2012 #63

I'm not trying to start a birther movement nor do any of us question Mitt's citizenship LynneSin Oct 2012 #74

and that's just sad. You can't even see what you're doing. cali Oct 2012 #77

I think what i'm doing is having a discussion LynneSin Oct 2012 #80

One rightie kindly explained it to me treestar Oct 2012 #65

But they never resigned their US citizenship nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #69

Here's the thing ... Was George Romney ever an American citizen? IggleDoer Oct 2012 #71

Good question. RavensChick Oct 2012 #72

In 2008 a few of the birthers also considered McCain ineligible Jim Lane Oct 2012 #78

This is my biggest problem with the 'Obama was born in Kenya' argument LynneSin Oct 2012 #84

On that legal point, my understanding is that the birthers are correct. Jim Lane Oct 2012 #86

I'm sorry, but none of this has anything to do with THIS election, does it? nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #79

That's why it's in GD and not POlitics 2012 forum LynneSin Oct 2012 #81

That's why I'm punching the "Trash this Thread" button. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #82

you have hit upon a topical and burning issue quinnox Oct 2012 #85