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Recovered Repug

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83. Actually, that's not quite true.

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 06:01 PM

Oct 2012

There are requirements that the citizen parent must meet for the child to have US citizenship. Prior to 1986 they were:

1. The person's parents were married at the time of birth
2. One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
3. The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
4. A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.

Since Obama's mother was only 18 years old at the time of his birth, requirement #4 would not have been met. In theory, if Obama was born overseas he would not be considered a Natural Born Citizen and eligible to be president.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] LynneSin Oct 2012 OP

its okay if your a white republican... Historic NY Oct 2012 #1

Thats it in a nutshell madokie Oct 2012 #14

Romney's birth certificate evokes his father's controversy DonViejo Oct 2012 #30

Good question. kentuck Oct 2012 #2

I think it's because both of his parents were American citizens catbyte Oct 2012 #3

Yes, BUT if he was Mexican he'd have a better chance of winning the election mucifer Oct 2012 #4

Gay and Mexican FogerRox Oct 2012 #76

Plus he was Republican. Barack_America Oct 2012 #8

But I thought as long as one parent was a US Citizen then you are an American Citizen LynneSin Oct 2012 #10

ding...whichmkes the birther shit that much more stupid. even is he WAS born in kenya.. still dionysus Oct 2012 #27

Yup, that is my understanding as well. eom City Lights Oct 2012 #34

Actually, that's not quite true. Recovered Repug Oct 2012 #83

The issue came down to George's parents not relinguishing US citizenship HereSince1628 Oct 2012 #5

It also means he should have "self-deported" by Mitt's immigration standards. Barack_America Oct 2012 #6

There were no "necessary steps" jberryhill Oct 2012 #9

I'm no expert on 1907 immigration law, but by todays' standards "steps" would need to be taken. Barack_America Oct 2012 #21

Foreign colonies of "US citizens" was one of the reasons why it was changed jberryhill Oct 2012 #25

No. George's parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth, making George a USC. leveymg Oct 2012 #35

Looking into it further then, were the Romney's EVER US citizens? Barack_America Oct 2012 #53

That's an interesting question. But, it's likely that anyone who was born in Utah became a USC leveymg Oct 2012 #59

If George's parents were born and raised in Mexico treestar Oct 2012 #66

What is up with that is... jberryhill Oct 2012 #7

I never said they renounced but that they fled the country so they could practice Polygamy LynneSin Oct 2012 #17

Okay, so the children of draft evaders who went to Canada are not US citizens? jberryhill Oct 2012 #23

I started this post to understand LynneSin Oct 2012 #24

Polygamy? earthside Oct 2012 #29

Because the GOP hadn't lost its fricking mind yet. tanyev Oct 2012 #11

"Native-born" US Citz means not Naturalized. Romney was born a USC, so no need. leveymg Oct 2012 #12

George Romney not natural born unc70 Oct 2012 #26

USC by birth not conveyed under any "uniform rules for naturalization". Concepts are exclusive. leveymg Oct 2012 #31

GR citizen by law, not natural born citizen by birth unc70 Oct 2012 #45

No. If he had been naturalized, he'd be a citizen by law. The INA may contain definitions, but does leveymg Oct 2012 #49

George Romney citizen by law, not Constitution unc70 Oct 2012 #61

Yes. But, Mittens -- and Obama -- were born citizens, regardless of the nationality of parents leveymg Oct 2012 #64

We very much agree. Both Obama & Mitt NB citizens unc70 Oct 2012 #67

There was never anything natural about John McCain . . . leveymg Oct 2012 #75

The tem is not "native born": The Constitution says "natural born." WinkyDink Oct 2012 #40

Same thing. Now, as for citizenship by birth, read the 14th Amendment. leveymg Oct 2012 #50

imagine if Obama's grandparents FLED THE UNITED STATES to engage in polygamy? just imagine.... spanone Oct 2012 #13

He'd been drawn and quartered a long time ago madokie Oct 2012 #16

If Mitt Romney was a democrat and something other than White... LynneSin Oct 2012 #20

Wait a second. You're just now realizing this? ancianita Oct 2012 #15

I try not to think about Romney's Mormon religion or family history LynneSin Oct 2012 #19

Laws are for the 47% to abide by. Hubert Flottz Oct 2012 #18

Has he presented his birth certificate??? barnabas63 Oct 2012 #22

Republican geography 101: lalalu Oct 2012 #28

Just so you know it's not Mitt's citizenship I am asking about LynneSin Oct 2012 #37

Why not? Romney is an anchor baby. lalalu Oct 2012 #43

"I am all for throwing the republican talking points right back at them." KansDem Oct 2012 #57

Thanks, LMAO lalalu Oct 2012 #58

They outsourced their polygamy KurtNYC Oct 2012 #32

How many Grandmothers did he have?? kooljerk666 Oct 2012 #33

Most human beings, being human beings, have two grandmothers: one maternal; one paternal. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #41

Geaneology is not my bag... kooljerk666 Oct 2012 #44

"so they could flee US government persecution" --- I'll have to take issue with "persecution"; it's WinkyDink Oct 2012 #36

Spam deleted by CaliforniaPeggy (MIR Team) dougshreff Oct 2012 #38

and by the way, he went on welfare when he came back to the U.S. n/t Enrique Oct 2012 #39

My niece was born on the island of Okinawa, but she is a US citizen and will be qualified... slackmaster Oct 2012 #42

35. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #46

Yes, you are correct. 25 for the House, 30 for the Senate, 35 for President. slackmaster Oct 2012 #48

Was her parents station in Okinawa? LynneSin Oct 2012 #54

My brother is a Naval officer. He was stationed in Japan. slackmaster Oct 2012 #60

So that's the situation with McCain and thus no question about her birth LynneSin Oct 2012 #62

Actually, McCain was in exactly the same COLGATE4 Oct 2012 #47

actually, a law was passed when mclame was a child unblock Oct 2012 #51

I believe that it only applied to those born in the "Canal Zone" - considered a US territory. IggleDoer Oct 2012 #68

LOL dems_rightnow Oct 2012 #70

well i'm serious that "some say", as i've heard it from multiple sources. unblock Oct 2012 #73

Yes but McCains parents weren't in Panama to escape US Laws LynneSin Oct 2012 #55

I want Romney to denounce his father's presidential run as un-constitutional krispos42 Oct 2012 #52

When George Romney runs again, we should make an issue of it! n/t hughee99 Oct 2012 #56

Seriously? Why do people feel compelled to play the same idiotic game that teabaggers cali Oct 2012 #63

I'm not trying to start a birther movement nor do any of us question Mitt's citizenship LynneSin Oct 2012 #74

and that's just sad. You can't even see what you're doing. cali Oct 2012 #77

I think what i'm doing is having a discussion LynneSin Oct 2012 #80

One rightie kindly explained it to me treestar Oct 2012 #65

But they never resigned their US citizenship nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #69

Here's the thing ... Was George Romney ever an American citizen? IggleDoer Oct 2012 #71

Good question. RavensChick Oct 2012 #72

In 2008 a few of the birthers also considered McCain ineligible Jim Lane Oct 2012 #78

This is my biggest problem with the 'Obama was born in Kenya' argument LynneSin Oct 2012 #84

On that legal point, my understanding is that the birthers are correct. Jim Lane Oct 2012 #86

I'm sorry, but none of this has anything to do with THIS election, does it? nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #79

That's why it's in GD and not POlitics 2012 forum LynneSin Oct 2012 #81

That's why I'm punching the "Trash this Thread" button. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #82

you have hit upon a topical and burning issue quinnox Oct 2012 #85