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Klaralven

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38. Yes, just as works by black authors writing for black audiences -unless you want separate but equal?

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 09:39 AM

Jun 2021

Although my preference would be to minimize altogether the study of fiction in schools.

Why are we spending instructional hours on imaginary stuff?

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Banning CRT: Does this mean "To Kill a Mockingbird" is out? [View all] MissMillie Jun 2021 OP

I had to Google it. Critical Race Theory. CurtEastPoint Jun 2021 #1

I apologize. I thought I saw it here before.(n/t) MissMillie Jun 2021 #2

No worry. Not enough coffee and my old IT brain said "Cathode Ray Tube." CurtEastPoint Jun 2021 #4

I thought "can't read that" berniesandersmittens Jun 2021 #8

To Kill a Mockingbird has a lot of problems. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #3

I think that's a fair assessment MissMillie Jun 2021 #7

My experience was similar growing up... Wounded Bear Jun 2021 #23

This. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #9

Absolutely agree snpsmom Jun 2021 #11

Oh my god. Seriously? Goodheart Jun 2021 #12

It's a beloved book. But if we're going to teach the book in schools, it's important to tease WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #21

Sorry, but I had to chuckle at some of those contortions. Goodheart Jun 2021 #24

It's also inaccurate, as Atticus Finch himself is a bigot. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #27

Atticus Finch is a fictional character. shrike3 Jun 2021 #43

And that character is a bigot. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #49

Many white. Americans are that crass and stupid StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #33

Baloney Goodheart Jun 2021 #53

77m mostly white people voted for most purposefully malignant racist president since Andrew Johnson uponit7771 Jun 2021 #64

But not ALL white people, so shame on you for mentioning it StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #87

As are many people of all races. Treefrog Jun 2021 #73

It was written by a white author for a white book-buying public, so that seems appropriate Klaralven Jun 2021 #35

If it's for a white audience, should it be used in a universal curriculum? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #36

Yes, just as works by black authors writing for black audiences -unless you want separate but equal? Klaralven Jun 2021 #38

Maybe because reading fiction makes people better able to empathize with others? PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #45

Essays and biographies can do that as well with more realism. Klaralven Jun 2021 #47

I believe research has shown that reading fiction is the best at that. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #72

You're absolutely correct. n/t snpsmom Jun 2021 #78

The issue is when works are written for a certain audience or in a certain time and then taught WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #60

Are you honestly arguing that we shouldn't teach fiction? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #66

If we're going to teach it, teach current fiction that would be interesting to the students. Klaralven Jun 2021 #77

Let's make our children dolts. /nt tonedevil Jun 2021 #90

There are a lot of problems with the white savior character. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #48

If Atticus Finch were black you'd need a new ending. Bob Ewell & the white townsfolk would lynch him Klaralven Jun 2021 #55

Yes, seriously snpsmom Jun 2021 #29

That's simply an astounding take. Goodheart Jun 2021 #52

You seem really invested in this argument n/t snpsmom Jun 2021 #61

But if the white author did that treestar Jun 2021 #81

Maybe snpsmom Jun 2021 #82

If she was writing about what she didn't know about or understand, readers would know it and that StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #85

You should probably read some essays by black authors about the white savior complex. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #41

Have you read Watchman? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #15

I am glad you are there to educate future generations ! luckone Jun 2021 #19

I envy you! snpsmom Jun 2021 #31

I am eager to hear more about your "Facing History" class. What else do you cover? CTyankee Jun 2021 #50

It's not a class (although that would be great) snpsmom Jun 2021 #63

There should be a module of the holocaust that can be used by teachers in middle school and up. CTyankee Jun 2021 #74

They do have Holocaust resources! n/t snpsmom Jun 2021 #79

Huckleberry Finn also cbabe Jun 2021 #62

I have taught Huck Finn a lot of years, too. And I agree on the problematic aspects. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #65

welcome to DU gopiscrap Jun 2021 #92

But, but, but.... TomSlick Jun 2021 #88

Who knows? snowybirdie Jun 2021 #5

+1 Sherman A1 Jun 2021 #6

Critical race theory is a way to talk about racism by examining how racial disparities and WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #10

Thank you snowybirdie Jun 2021 #13

That's a pretty low fucking bar if we need MTG to understand it before we can use it. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #16

It impacts lives and societies because it helps people realize that systemic racism is not caused WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #17

Excellent explanarion StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #34

That's correct. Who would know how to teach such vagueness in the first place? Goodheart Jun 2021 #14

Plenty of people understand how to use it in their teaching. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #18

I think that's a bit biased and hyperbolic. Goodheart Jun 2021 #22

CRT is not something that's "taught," despite what you might understand from Republican rhetoric. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #25

And there you go... you have a clear dispute with Cuthbert Allgood Goodheart Jun 2021 #26

No, there's no dispute there. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #28

Not sure why you're trying to pit us against each other, but okay. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #30

Yeah, seems like an attempt to deflect. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #32

Yep. You were clear. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #37

:) This thread has some good discussion, and thanks. Hortensis Jun 2021 #44

I'm not trying to pit you against each other. Goodheart Jun 2021 #54

It's not an inconsistency. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #67

Who are "they"? What is incomprehensible? luckone Jun 2021 #20

They seem to be MAGA folks snowybirdie Jun 2021 #42

Actually, CRT enthusiasts are more likely to attack TKAM for "white saviorism" nt Azathoth Jun 2021 #39

Well it survived the Me Too era (Barely) cinematicdiversions Jun 2021 #40

There have been discussions about the appropriateness of the novel Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #46

When I first saw the topic I got nervous Polybius Jun 2021 #51

Heavy, hard on the eyes, and gives off dangerous emissions Klaralven Jun 2021 #56

But CRT TV's are great for retro gaming, and still have the best depth and perfect color blacks Polybius Jun 2021 #57

Wasn't TKM canceled years ago by early wokists? BannonsLiver Jun 2021 #58

TKM was to white supporters of civil rights as Uncle Tom's Cabin was to abolitionists Klaralven Jun 2021 #59

... a starting point to getting people off the couch and into the debate? apnu Jun 2021 #69

As emotional predicates for adopting political positions. Klaralven Jun 2021 #76

So you have no problems with the book? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2021 #68

My problem with the book was that they treated the black characters paternalistically ... marble falls Jun 2021 #71

Thanks - that was a nice compact list of whom... electric_blue68 Jun 2021 #75

Rita Dove was a friend and classmate in high school. Wonderful poet. I really mean wonderful. marble falls Jun 2021 #89

This is not uncommon in art and literature StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #86

I think that's true. I think a lot of it is about if there were few black main charaters, there ... marble falls Jun 2021 #91

It is an important piece of literature. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #70

You know, snpsmom Jun 2021 #80

"Anyone who reads it or teaches it can ground it in the era in which it was written and published." WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #83

That's what educators are trying to do StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #84