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37. that's not remotely true

Sat Jun 5, 2021, 08:54 PM

Jun 2021

a teaching degree gets you almost all the way there except certification. Pharmacy. Business. Management. All sorts of folks go on to have careers starting off with undergrad degrees. Yes some go on to have master's degrees, many do not.

https://educationdata.org/education-attainment-statistics

Lot of data there to suggests there's plenty of value in educational achievement. And certainly, if you want to break boundaries, it's pretty important. I come from a poor family. I don't think we ever broke 40K a year in our best year. Maybe when I was a little kid, relatively speaking to today's dollars.

I was the first to graduate college, and the first to go to anything past that (law school). I only barely dropped below six figures the last year because I just retired from the military. I'll go back over once I do really anything.

Higher education has a real impact.

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Maher calls college a 'grift,' compares it to Scientology [View all] Klaralven Jun 2021 OP

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On donating: "In 2012, I did this but this is different. That was for my country and I thought it betsuni Jun 2021 #28

So? ChrisF1961 Jun 2021 #49

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Liberal because he says so, regardless of behavior? Come on. Hortensis Jun 2021 #87

What behavior specifically are you talking about? betsuni Jun 2021 #90

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Then maybe he's just an asshole who says stupid stuff. Ocelot II Jun 2021 #48

So, did he give Cornell back his degree? GoCubsGo Jun 2021 #2

Pot doesn't turn a person's brain to mush Mysterian Jun 2021 #15

If you do enough of it, it does. GoCubsGo Jun 2021 #30

No. It doesn't. Solomon Jun 2021 #89

ask him if he wants his lawyers to go to law school qazplm135 Jun 2021 #3

He says college is unnecessary for MOST job Shermann Jun 2021 #7

College gives a foundation, but most learning, in medical, legal, finance, plumbing, etc. is OTJ TheBlackAdder Jun 2021 #10

A broader education gives those students a better chance to understand our empedocles Jun 2021 #19

+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #34

Excellent explanation StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #50

agreed qazplm135 Jun 2021 #56

accounting is a degree qazplm135 Jun 2021 #22

Clearly Maher's message has resonated with some here Shermann Jun 2021 #47

Most employers treat a 4-year degree like a H.S. diploma. Without it you'll never get an interview. TheBlackAdder Jun 2021 #53

So this is your defense of the system? Shermann Jun 2021 #71

OK fix it. Oh, that's right, it can't be fixed. If you can't, this talk is just academic 🤣 TheBlackAdder Jun 2021 #76

Exactly! Shermann Jun 2021 #77

This discussion should probably move to HR people as there are best practices and metrics they use. TheBlackAdder Jun 2021 #88

sure, there's an element qazplm135 Jun 2021 #55

There are two fallacies to unpack here Shermann Jun 2021 #69

Yeah we do know qazplm135 Jun 2021 #82

Actually it is data Shermann Jun 2021 #83

People complaining qazplm135 Jun 2021 #84

FACT: Since 1985, the average cost of college has risen 500% Shermann Jun 2021 #85

which is probably why qazplm135 Jun 2021 #86

Bad comparison. But there is a problem with more focus on status JI7 Jun 2021 #4

Besides nepotism, isn't that how the corporate ladder works too? You have to pay your 'dues.' TheBlackAdder Jun 2021 #5

It's not scientology. It's another layer of growth before one takes on adult jobs ... marble falls Jun 2021 #6

Trump is more like Scientology & Mormonism. He self-anointed and only one who can read gold scrolls. TheBlackAdder Jun 2021 #8

I agree with Bill on this. College and Universities should be for those that want to be academics. Yavin4 Jun 2021 #9

I totally agree. betsuni Jun 2021 #12

Went to Boston U for two years before deciding I'd be better off on the G.I.Bill. Grokenstein Jun 2021 #13

Totally agree. nt Raine Jun 2021 #21

so you want high school for two more years qazplm135 Jun 2021 #23

Currently, undergraduate programs prepare you for....graduate programs, not careers. Yavin4 Jun 2021 #31

that's not remotely true qazplm135 Jun 2021 #37

We've created a system where we force people to get undergrad degrees for those careers. Yavin4 Jun 2021 #42

no qazplm135 Jun 2021 #57

Most of the industrialized and developing world emphasize vocational based training Yavin4 Jun 2021 #60

Your statement about "vocational law school" makes no sense. Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2021 #24

Did you miss the part where I wrote that you would apprentice after 4 years of vocational law school Yavin4 Jun 2021 #32

only the biggest law firms can afford to take on qazplm135 Jun 2021 #39

Did you read where I wrote this? Yavin4 Jun 2021 #44

how is any of that qazplm135 Jun 2021 #51

Dude, if you believe that people with law degrees are doing well... Yavin4 Jun 2021 #63

The average salary qazplm135 Jun 2021 #65

Again, you're using averages. If I average my net worth with Jeff Bezos', I'd be one of the richest Yavin4 Jun 2021 #68

I'm averaging qazplm135 Jun 2021 #81

High school should NOT be extended . But they do need to focus more on different types JI7 Jun 2021 #27

By the way, speaking of high school being extended two years, I heard Jonathan Haidt betsuni Jun 2021 #29

We already have a bunch of idiots who have no knowledge of history or concept of civic duty jcgoldie Jun 2021 #43

There are people that went to college with no knowledge of history or concept of civic duty Yavin4 Jun 2021 #45

That has nothing to do with whether someone went to College . JI7 Jun 2021 #54

well its pretty much the core concept of liberal arts education jcgoldie Jun 2021 #58

Yes, and that can still happen . But like I said the problem with it today is not about people JI7 Jun 2021 #59

I agree. Now it's not about the education, it's about the name of the school on the diploma. betsuni Jun 2021 #11

Well said. Behind the Aegis Jun 2021 #41

And I wonder how much these type of things add to the costs. Similar to how new editions of text JI7 Jun 2021 #62

To this day I still don't know what "creative writing" is. betsuni Jun 2021 #64

EXACTLY 👍 nt Raine Jun 2021 #67

$58,000 a year / (2 semesters * 16 weeks/semester * 20 hours instruction / wk) equals $90.62 / hour Klaralven Jun 2021 #79

An idiot Meowmee Jun 2021 #14

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They Waited Until The End... ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #18

Why the hell does anybody pay attention to this asshole anymore? Paladin Jun 2021 #20

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I went to college for four years. PlanetBev Jun 2021 #33

I didn't go through college until about 10 years after high school Silent3 Jun 2021 #38

I'd say it's half true Silent3 Jun 2021 #35

I'd agree some people aren't "compatible" with college Shermann Jun 2021 #72

The memory thing! betsuni Jun 2021 #74

Fuck Bill Maher jcgoldie Jun 2021 #40

Liberal comedian? Maher is neither liberal nor funny -- Hekate Jun 2021 #52

He says some really stupid things. nt RegularJam Jun 2021 #61

I'm glad I went to college and that it was affordable at the time. tenderfoot Jun 2021 #66

Higher education has morphed from educating to profiteering and people have been brainwashed Vinca Jun 2021 #70

The moments when I realized I may have been grifted Shermann Jun 2021 #73

Then there's the whole graduation rate issue Shermann Jun 2021 #75

Sometimes Bill is funny. H2O Man Jun 2021 #78

We should be paying people to go to college and trade schools... hunter Jun 2021 #80