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iemanja

(57,757 posts)
72. WRONG
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 08:22 PM
Jun 2021

The US installed those governments. They financed them and trained their military in torture at the School of the Americans. Americas ( https://www.dukeupress.edu/the-school-of-the-americas) also participated in the torture, as evidenced by accounts of torture victims like Sister Diana Ortiz. You know absolutely nothing about what you're talking about. Your posts are offensive. They discount tens of thousands of lives. The US got away with that behavior because people didn't care. They don't care about those lives and make excuses for US activity. Pretending that the US was not responsible and not an active participant is horrifyingly false.

Besides, you ignore the entire rest of Latin America--the US intervened militarily in Latin America over a hundred times between the 1890s and 1914. This Wikipedia entry lists just a few. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America%E2%80%93United_States_relations

The Oxford history on the subject: https://oxfordre.com/latinamericanhistory/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780199366439.001.0001/acrefore-9780199366439-e-643

The US installed the murderous Pinochet government and affirmatively supported and funded his murders. They trained the torturers at School of the Americans and trained torturers on site in Latin American nations. They trained the murderers in Argentina's Dirty War and then brought them to Central America.
There are so many more examples.
There is a reason the US refuses to join the International Criminal Court at the Hague. They don't want members of their own military and intelligence services as well as presidential administrations held accountable for their actions.

If you had ever taken an intro to Latin American history for the national period, you would learn about these and other cases. There is so much to read on this subject.

https://www.amazon.com/Open-Veins-Latin-America-Centuries/dp/0853459916
https://timeline.com/the-cia-wrote-a-torture-manual-more-than-50-years-ago-and-then-gave-it-to-latin-american-dictators-dcb771d4842b
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor#U.S._involvement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War#United_States_involvement_with_the_junta
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.7591/j.ctvq2vwpw
https://www.amazon.com/Bitter-Fruit-American-Guatemala-Expanded/dp/067401930X
https://www.democracynow.org/2005/10/12/sister_dianna_ortiz_details_her_abduction
https://www.amazon.com/Truth-Torture-American-Way-Consequences/dp/0807003077/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=US+torture+Latin+America&qid=1623457140&sr=8-4
There is so much written about this, it's not acceptable to repeat false claims. Accusing me of living in a fantasy world is false. I have a PhD in Latin American history and taught those history classes for years. You, on the other hand, are entirely ignorant on the subject.

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She's not wrong. Voltaire2 Jun 2021 #1
So you think the U.S. is equivalent to the taliban? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2021 #2
I think the entire group mentioned has committed war crimes. Voltaire2 Jun 2021 #3
More false equivilance Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2021 #4
Her outrage is selective. She refused to acknowledge the Armenian genocide by being the only JohnSJ Jun 2021 #9
Indeed. Zeitghost Jun 2021 #20
This eissa Jun 2021 #38
how is 'civilian deaths caused by each' Voltaire2 Jun 2021 #30
Except Hamas of course, right ? Rustyeye77 Jun 2021 #5
no not except hamas Voltaire2 Jun 2021 #12
Post removed Post removed Jun 2021 #22
Well a) I didn't bash israel and b) Netanyahu started this war. Voltaire2 Jun 2021 #28
And YET again...you just cant utter a word about hamas. Rustyeye77 Jun 2021 #31
"Netanyahu started this war." EX500rider Jun 2021 #61
That is not what she said. Mariana Jun 2021 #43
Post removed Post removed Jun 2021 #47
I think the mental justification goes like this. RegularJam Jun 2021 #21
Israeli courts have failed to protect Palestinians wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #14
+1 Xoan Jun 2021 #7
Did Obama and Biden commit war crimes with the drone program? Mosby Jun 2021 #26
yes, and no as they have not been charged Voltaire2 Jun 2021 #29
How is killing isis before they commit atrocities by drone a war crime EX500rider Jun 2021 #41
Let me know when Hamas or the Taliban warn people to evacuate a building before they bomb it. EX500rider Jun 2021 #11
Let me know if you'll forgive an arsonist of your home wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #15
Warfare and arson are completely different things in case you didn't know. EX500rider Jun 2021 #27
Killing 63 children is NOT "avoiding civilian casualties" wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #33
When the combat is entirely urban and bombs from above it is. EX500rider Jun 2021 #34
Yes, we all know Hamas hides in six hospitals wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #35
You think a terrorist group like Hamas is above hiding in a hospital EX500rider Jun 2021 #37
I'll bet those hospitals even treat Hamas fighters too wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #45
"The IDF constantly fails at their job" EX500rider Jun 2021 #46
Name one hospital Hamas has destroyed wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #48
So firing 4,000 rockets at Israeli cities trying to kill civilians is not a war crime? EX500rider Jun 2021 #57
How many bombs did Israel drop on Gaza? wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #58
I believe Hamas causality figures like I believe in the Easter Bunny. EX500rider Jun 2021 #59
Then which "causality figure" do you believe? wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #60
I'll take the IDF figures over the terrorist's groups figures. EX500rider Jun 2021 #62
Because the IDF bombs the health ministry building? wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #65
But attacks like that are part of the problem muriel_volestrangler Jun 2021 #49
Mistakes happen, war isn't pretty. Big difference between accidental and on purpose however. EX500rider Jun 2021 #56
Here we see the problem: the American military investigates itself, decides it was all an accident muriel_volestrangler Jun 2021 #63
"It's not war, either" EX500rider Jun 2021 #64
The Afghans and Americans had already regained control muriel_volestrangler Jun 2021 #66
Actually I never said the US gave warnings, that's what the IDF does. EX500rider Jun 2021 #67
So it should be OK to put the Americans in the Hamas/Taliban list, then muriel_volestrangler Jun 2021 #68
No I do not think the US military belongs in the same grouping as those terrorist groups. EX500rider Jun 2021 #69
She didn't set anything off. intheflow Jun 2021 #6
.... Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2021 #8
She is selective, as was demonstrated in her not voting for the resolution acknowledging the JohnSJ Jun 2021 #10
I wouldn't agree with her a lot of the time but this was a factual statement. I suspect the OnDoutside Jun 2021 #13
Ilhan Omar clarifies remarks on Hamas, US and Israel, but not before condemning Jewish lawmakers' Behind the Aegis Jun 2021 #16
Hmmmm....BULLSHIT Rustyeye77 Jun 2021 #24
I think Omar has said some stupid stuff. RegularJam Jun 2021 #17
Not really Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2021 #18
Yes, really. RegularJam Jun 2021 #19
I don't know about Congress, but her comments sure have divided DUers in this thread Bucky Jun 2021 #23
I guess the issue is accountability Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2021 #25
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #32
Rt TY.. Cha Jun 2021 #36
American Taliban, wasn't that the group that stormed the Capitol on 1/6? n/t DiamondShark Jun 2021 #44
Post removed Post removed Jun 2021 #39
Disagree with your assessment. Caliman73 Jun 2021 #42
Not this Dem BannonsLiver Jun 2021 #40
She's absolutely right and the outrage is more arthritisR_US Jun 2021 #50
Under Bush-Cheney the US tortured prisoners Deminpenn Jun 2021 #51
No shit Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2021 #52
Sure you want to hang your hat on that argument? Deminpenn Jun 2021 #54
Hang my hat? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2021 #55
A few scapegoats were convicted iemanja Jun 2021 #75
The US aided and abetted the killing of tens of thousands iemanja Jun 2021 #70
Oh FFS your fantasy world is bizarre Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2021 #71
WRONG iemanja Jun 2021 #72
Wikipedia Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2021 #73
I gave you books from Duke University Press iemanja Jun 2021 #74
You could also read a basic textbook iemanja Jun 2021 #76
See below. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2021 #53
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