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roamer65

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145. The melting glaciers gave us a wonderful gift.

Sun Jun 20, 2021, 12:30 AM

Jun 2021

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I hope we don’t screw it up. Two weeks ago, I stood on the shore of Lake Superior and then put my feet into it. Clear, cool and beautiful.

But knowing humans, we will trash it. Everything we touch, dies.

That’s why so many hate Dump so much. He is a living embodiment of all the worst in the human species.

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The American West is drying out. Things will get ugly [View all] Klaralven Jun 2021 OP

Cut off the taps to all golf courses first. Then Nestle and all almonds groves. flying_wahini Jun 2021 #1

"Almonds use all the water!!!" is a myth propped up by the cattle industry. Lancero Jun 2021 #9

Yes..it's alfalfa that takes so much water PortTack Jun 2021 #14

Yes. WheelWalker Jun 2021 #42

Anither dirty secret is winegrape vines on average Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #58

Industrial dairy farms are a big lobby in California. hunter Jun 2021 #129

6 years old story? Nt USALiberal Jun 2021 #167

The watering of Golf courses Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #38

Look for trucks irrigating with non-potable gray water, or signs on the property saying the same... Hekate Jun 2021 #85

My post about golf courses was at least partly sarcasm. Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #93

I'm not against golf. Two of my siblings are powerful golfers. hunter Jun 2021 #142

The golf courses use reclaimed water. marybourg Jun 2021 #46

But couldnt that be treated into drinking water? oldsoftie Jun 2021 #96

Possibly some day. marybourg Jun 2021 #108

It's already happening in my part of California . hunter Jun 2021 #141

The most pressing infrastructure project is going to be soon publicly recognized Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #2

This northern Californian says no wryter2000 Jun 2021 #4

Firstly, that general system already exists within the state Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #11

This Montanan also says no. The SW needs to reimagine golf courses, end lawns Maru Kitteh Jun 2021 #45

No argument from me WRT ending these practices ... Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #51

I think by the time all of that is done, it's substantially less likely that Maru Kitteh Jun 2021 #78

If you're thinking Seattle, think again. We have droughts in the summer, and fires. pnwmom Jun 2021 #164

Bring our northern water to the desert? luv2fly Jun 2021 #6

Ummm ... obviously the answer to that will be Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #7

Let's see genuine conservation efforts first luv2fly Jun 2021 #10

Agreed, but it's going to take a LONG time to argue, iron out plans, and build the thing Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #13

I suspect the heat waves will make these areas uninhabitable femmedem Jun 2021 #56

Snowbirds don't like snow.... TheRealNorth Jun 2021 #60

That's possible, but there's a lot of AC in this state. Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #75

Absolutely a crisis, yes. femmedem Jun 2021 #91

Yep. No more damn lawns and golf courses. we can do it Jun 2021 #20

This. fierywoman Jun 2021 #23

+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #71

I never water my lawn. I don't put fertilizer on it. I don't put insecticides or weed killers on it. Klaralven Jun 2021 #132

Even in water rich Michigan I refuse to water my lawn. roamer65 Jun 2021 #146

Because much of your food is coming from that desert. n/t Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #40

Stop farming animals and food for those animals and there'll be enough water nt Maru Kitteh Jun 2021 #47

That's a valid point, Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #55

and if California isn't growing it, Arizona and Texas are yellowdogintexas Jun 2021 #92

How about from flooding areas like Louisiana or eastern Texas? duhneece Jun 2021 #73

Once the Oglalla Acqufer has been drained, the Northern States won't have any to spare. Klaralven Jun 2021 #8

Sorry. Not giving it to them either. So they can water corn for cows? Maru Kitteh Jun 2021 #48

lol. No. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2021 #21

This!!! Luciferous Jun 2021 #36

The best thing that could happen to California would be Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #62

Yes. I am always happy to read that Polly Hennessey Jun 2021 #90

Problem is, there really isn't. n/t Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #95

Exactly. n/t pnwmom Jun 2021 #165

Stick a straw in the Great Lakes and you've got a fight on your hands EYESORE 9001 Jun 2021 #28

You got it. roamer65 Jun 2021 #79

Absolutely. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2021 #94

Nope. NEOBuckeye Jun 2021 #32

You're assuming that the residents are the main issue, and would be leading the fight? Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #44

So locate the fucking geniuses who think growing rice in California Maru Kitteh Jun 2021 #59

Maruh, we are the country's Salad Bar, & a miniscule number of people live in castles... Hekate Jun 2021 #105

Rice, almonds, and pistachios require.. Bobstandard Jun 2021 #117

To most of the folks in this thread, I recommend becoming Locavores... Hekate Jun 2021 #121

Apples, pears, cherries, peaches, peas, corn, squash, onions, green beans, lettuce, .... Klaralven Jun 2021 #138

Rice doesn't bother me at all. People eat rice. hunter Jun 2021 #143

It's like the popular notion that CONSUMERS can save the planet by recycling. Beartracks Jun 2021 #64

There are treaties protecting Great Lakes water.... TheRealNorth Jun 2021 #49

NOT going to happen. There have been schemes floated to get water from as far away as ... eppur_se_muova Jun 2021 #61

If some massive water relocation project was built Chainfire Jun 2021 #68

Bingo. nt eppur_se_muova Jun 2021 #112

A problem of numbers, yes. roamer65 Jun 2021 #153

We already did that. It's called KPN Jun 2021 #102

I've been twisted from my previous anti-nuclear activist existence. hunter Jun 2021 #144

Just not a good idea to have them in major seismically active or tsunami areas. roamer65 Jun 2021 #152

Let's see, a 1960's technology nuclear plant that was hit by a Tsunami and killed fewer people... hunter Jun 2021 #158

One of the reasons San Onofre NGS was decommissioned was its susceptibility to tsunami. roamer65 Jun 2021 #159

No. CrackityJones75 Jun 2021 #151

You think the northern states have a lot of excess water? nt pnwmom Jun 2021 #163

Never happen and will not work. grantcart Jun 2021 #168

I've been thinking of the racist backlash to the Great Migration recently. femmedem Jun 2021 #3

I concur. The xenophobia will become directed against any non-neighbors. erronis Jun 2021 #27

Exactly. (I hope we're wrong.) femmedem Jun 2021 #53

They've already been destroying water for Native American tribes nt IronLionZion Jun 2021 #126

Heartbreaking; awful. nt femmedem Jun 2021 #135

From the link 😳 luckone Jun 2021 #5

Sounds like a taste of last summer. roamer65 Jun 2021 #154

On conservative websites people in states like Texas and Florida Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #12

Yes, it's the biggest reason Az is now blue..been going on for well over a decade PortTack Jun 2021 #15

Texans talk like we're an invading army and Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #16

Invade away! roamer65 Jun 2021 #87

Dallas is already pretty blue. Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #97

I love those bumper stickers I see up here on occasion. roamer65 Jun 2021 #100

Yes, that's a great slogan. Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #118

Fuck their goddamn conservatism NEOBuckeye Jun 2021 #34

THE biggest issue human's face is climate change. jalan48 Jun 2021 #17

The states of the SW need to quit praying for water, doing absurd wasteful election audits and get PortTack Jun 2021 #18

Yeah, but Israel is next to the Mediterranean and the Red Sea. heckles65 Jun 2021 #30

The 1922 Colorado Protocol needs to be reworked. AZLD4Candidate Jun 2021 #39

You and I are in complete agreement AZLD4Candidate Jun 2021 #35

I've been saying that for YEARS myself oldsoftie Jun 2021 #109

If it takes secession to save the Great Lakes, so be it. roamer65 Jun 2021 #19

People better move back to the GL Watershed NEOBuckeye Jun 2021 #37

Bingo. roamer65 Jun 2021 #41

Little of the Great Lakes Watershed is in the United States Klaralven Jun 2021 #70

The Great Lakes Compact involves the American states in the aquifer... roamer65 Jun 2021 #76

I thought that Chicago got it's water from Lake Michigan, discharged sewage down the Illinois River? Klaralven Jun 2021 #101

The Chicago ship and sanitary canal is the one path from Lake Michigan to the MS River. roamer65 Jun 2021 #107

Google Street View gives a nice look at both the Des Plaines river and the CS&SC from I-355 bridge Klaralven Jun 2021 #115

Secession. Treefrog Jun 2021 #88

Water is for fighting. roamer65 Jun 2021 #89

And understandably so! It's survival! Duppers Jun 2021 #120

The melting glaciers gave us a wonderful gift. roamer65 Jun 2021 #145

That won't be necessary, but people around... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2021 #156

The one small problem in the Great Lakes Compact is it allows export outside the aquifer... roamer65 Jun 2021 #157

Chicago already uses sizable amounts of GL water... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2021 #160

So far the lakes are very full. roamer65 Jun 2021 #161

And we should indeed fight to keep it that way... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2021 #162

Humans building maga cities in deserts, results not turning out well WarGamer Jun 2021 #22

Concise analysis. And too many people living too long (says I, 70+++). erronis Jun 2021 #29

I only disagree with the living too long thing. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2021 #98

US birth rate is low. Our growth comes from immigration oldsoftie Jun 2021 #111

Bill Maher talked about this last night. tiredtoo Jun 2021 #24

Raising cattle takes more water than raising almonds. Binkie The Clown Jun 2021 #26

Yes I found your post after posting about Maher's statements. tiredtoo Jun 2021 #31

I've never understood why drinking water that's been standing around in plastic is a good idea? Klaralven Jun 2021 #133

Went camping with extended family TheFarseer Jun 2021 #170

Great tiredtoo Jun 2021 #176

Tug boats will be needed to move icebergs to Los Angeles. nt Binkie The Clown Jun 2021 #25

Aside from not surviving the trip, icebergs are, unfortunately, not a renewable resource these days. Beartracks Jun 2021 #67

Back in the 1970s there was an article in Popular Mechanics. Binkie The Clown Jun 2021 #127

From my Campaign Website: Arizona's Water Problem AZLD4Candidate Jun 2021 #33

I think that could help TheRealNorth Jun 2021 #63

It needs to be put into a new Colorado Protocol. AZLD4Candidate Jun 2021 #66

I figure Lake Mead will eventually become the terminus of the Colorado River. hunter Jun 2021 #43

Couldn't solar energy be used to run the desalination plants? TheRealNorth Jun 2021 #50

Yes. Desalination could be run at peak solar energy windows. roamer65 Jun 2021 #65

Solar energy isn't available when the sun's not shining. hunter Jun 2021 #82

Wind and solar in tandem. roamer65 Jun 2021 #84

Saudi Arabia is testing a solar dome desalinization plant on an industrial scale Kaleva Jun 2021 #166

If people want a Lake Mead, there may be only one choice. roamer65 Jun 2021 #57

There are good reasons not to pump sea water inland. hunter Jun 2021 #99

Very true. roamer65 Jun 2021 #103

It would also poison freshwater fish downstream oldsoftie Jun 2021 #114

Then the choice may be Lake Mead or Lake Powell. roamer65 Jun 2021 #147

That's a great article. hunter Jun 2021 #171

PG&E may have to delay the mothballing of Diablo Canyon. roamer65 Jun 2021 #155

This is a good reason Not to build the XL extension pipeline Ohioboy Jun 2021 #52

That's the muddy Missouri River "Too thick to swim in; too thin to plow" Klaralven Jun 2021 #134

This is just the beginning ... it actually is "the end of the world as we know it" ashredux Jun 2021 #54

Indeed. Duppers Jun 2021 #122

NAWAPA. roamer65 Jun 2021 #69

Everybody now pretty much hates the US Army Corps of Engineers. Klaralven Jun 2021 #72

Notice from Canada: Disaffected Jun 2021 #80

I hear ya and agree with ya. roamer65 Jun 2021 #83

Understood. Disaffected Jun 2021 #125

Anyone who has not yet read dianaredwing Jun 2021 #74

+++ Silko and dianaredwing are pointing to the only sane way forward Ponietz Jun 2021 #113

60,000 gallons Gilbert Moore Jun 2021 #77

60000 gallons is a cubic tank of water about 6.1 meters on an edge. Klaralven Jun 2021 #110

Compare that to losses from Lake Mead... hunter Jun 2021 #124

It also time to consider draining Lake Powell. roamer65 Jun 2021 #149

Ya think food prices are high now? Wait until there is NO food because of water shortages. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2021 #81

By 2100, the most sought after resource will be naturally watered arable land Klaralven Jun 2021 #116

Maybe before that. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2021 #130

Bill Gates: America's Top Farmland Owner Klaralven Jun 2021 #137

Yeah, I saw that. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2021 #139

"Whiskey is for drinking, water is for fighting." roamer65 Jun 2021 #86

Alarmist post and not factual. former9thward Jun 2021 #104

Then there's no problem, right? Bobstandard Jun 2021 #119

3 trillion gallons isn't much at all... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2021 #123

Megafarms and deeper wells are draining the water beneath rural Arizona - quietly, irreversibly Roisin Ni Fiachra Jun 2021 #175

The title is "The American West" yet the only states mentioned are AZ and NV. former9thward Jun 2021 #179

Pipe it in from the Mississippi River south of New Orleans jpak Jun 2021 #106

Get rid of grassy lawns, golf courses, personal swimming pools. Crunchy Frog Jun 2021 #128

Another possible solution is more water storage for the years we do have a lot of rain. Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #131

And like all the other reservoirs in California... hunter Jun 2021 #150

I've lived here for 60 years Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #174

I don't have any overt hostility to the project, but I think you've hit on the problem. hunter Jun 2021 #177

I think the development of Las Vegas over the last 50 years Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #178

No one has mentioned how the higher temps are juicing evaporation rates NickB79 Jun 2021 #136

Adding in the effect of other GHG's like methane, CFC's, HFC's, etc. roamer65 Jun 2021 #140

I think these folks are right. roamer65 Jun 2021 #148

"Lake Foul" VGNonly Jun 2021 #169

Glen Canyon Dam - How do you propose to supply Colorado, Wyoming, New Mexico and Utah? Klaralven Jun 2021 #173

Irrigating desert is a model that no longer works. Owl Jun 2021 #172