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95. I don't think that's saltwater

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Wed Jun 30, 2021, 12:11 PM

Jun 2021

More likely leaking swimming pool.

Long term saltwater accumulation would leave massive salt formation.

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Something about the Miami building collapse that no one is asking: [View all] Initech Jun 2021 OP

Right there with you, my dear Initech! CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2021 #1

Hey, I work in an engineering firm. We've seen some real atrocities over the years! Initech Jun 2021 #53

Many years ago I worked as a security guard in one place... malthaussen Jun 2021 #90

Regulations? We don't need no stinkin' regulations. PsakiPswirli Jun 2021 #2

Welcome to DU. nt littlemissmartypants Jun 2021 #31

I heard an NPR interview wnylib Jun 2021 #49

Management has no excuse. lpbk2713 Jun 2021 #58

That's pretty much what I thought wnylib Jun 2021 #61

I doubt iy was $100K per unit. luvtheGWN Jun 2021 #71

I believe the last assessment for the building was $15 MILLION blugbox Jun 2021 #94

I heard on NPR that they've been assessed maintenance fees for years. summer_in_TX Jun 2021 #69

My sister is condo hunting in Florida TheOther95Percent Jun 2021 #3

I feel sorry for anyone who closed escrow on one of the buildings recently Demovictory9 Jun 2021 #48

Florida Has A Long-Time Rep For Dodgy Real Estate Dealings smb Jun 2021 #76

Have her wait - the prices are going down RainCaster Jun 2021 #96

Great post malaise Jun 2021 #4

But to be fair, Malaise, one person's cultural issue is another's quality of life issue. jaxexpat Jun 2021 #62

I'm going to agree with the "shortage of skilled construction labor" thing jmowreader Jul 2021 #105

Sounds like one where the owner of the company had no experience either. jaxexpat Jul 2021 #106

You would think, but no jmowreader Jul 2021 #108

According to the structural engineering professor on TV this morning (CNN)... Blanks Jun 2021 #5

Yeah, I think the original design was part of the problem... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2021 #40

I would venture a guess that the condo business in the Miami area is going to fall off greatly. n/t SheilaAnn Jun 2021 #6

My background RAB910 Jun 2021 #7

Someone who knows stuff! Do you think the ground under the building contributed? Scrivener7 Jun 2021 #11

They drive piles 50 feet into the crappy soil (or whatever they are dealing with) RAB910 Jun 2021 #16

It's possible there was a void, or as I said water from flooding and rising water tables changed the RAB910 Jun 2021 #23

Thank you! It will be interesting to see what they find. And whether this is going to Scrivener7 Jun 2021 #25

Yes, if they are honest not fooled Jun 2021 #64

That seems like a good contender, given its location and rising sea levels. If so, NH Ethylene Jun 2021 #68

If it's a failure of the foundation do to soil condition changes- yes RAB910 Jun 2021 #81

The last words one woman said to her husband, as she stood on their balcony, were... Hekate Jun 2021 #13

Yeah, I have heard that RAB910 Jun 2021 #26

I agree with you Yonnie3 Jun 2021 #18

That's interesting. So the problems mentioned so far JI7 Jun 2021 #20

I'm certain that multiple factors will be the cause Yonnie3 Jun 2021 #28

Considering that Florida is sinkhole city .... TexasBushwhacker Jun 2021 #78

Yeah Yonnie3 Jun 2021 #79

that area isn't known for sinkholes like the rest of the state RAB910 Jun 2021 #86

Assuredly multiple factors zipplewrath Jun 2021 #24

Exactly, these buildings are built to withstand a hurricane and then some RAB910 Jun 2021 #27

One observation about the weather in this area whopis01 Jun 2021 #50

The only issue with the sink hole theory is that area is not that prone to them RAB910 Jun 2021 #82

There was a sinkhole in the Little Havana area of Miami last week whopis01 Jun 2021 #100

Are we all making an erroneous assumption that it was actually... NeoGreen Jun 2021 #55

Possible, although it would be impressive for a building to last 40 years if it wasn't up to code RAB910 Jun 2021 #83

something was mentioned about construction equipment on the roof dsc Jun 2021 #42

From the documents I have read the work on the roof shouldn't have been all that impactful RAB910 Jun 2021 #85

I'm Thinking No ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #109

How about DownriverDem Jun 2021 #60

very possible RAB910 Jun 2021 #84

Having seen wiring techniques Turbineguy Jun 2021 #8

Miami-Dade county is its own little banana republic bluecollar2 Jun 2021 #9

That is what is going on with the electrical grid in Texas. appleannie1 Jun 2021 #10

Their problem was that the concrete slab that held the pool etc was built flat like most LiberalArkie Jun 2021 #12

Luck? moondust Jun 2021 #14

Agreed and moniss Jun 2021 #15

Excellent post. llmart Jun 2021 #29

Thank you and moniss Jun 2021 #33

I love it when they say "how could this happen" without an answer. Initech Jun 2021 #45

Engineering is a science-based discipline. FL, DeSantis, home-schooled R's, sheer ignorance boom! machoneman Jun 2021 #17

It doesnt happen more happen more often due to a simple reason GusBob Jun 2021 #19

Miami Beach is a sand bar FakeNoose Jun 2021 #21

You are so right moniss Jun 2021 #35

Those high risers freak me out. lindysalsagal Jun 2021 #22

No lie. malthaussen Jun 2021 #91

As the infrastructure deteriorates, this will happen a little more. Jarqui Jun 2021 #30

Eventually the moniss Jun 2021 #36

I've caught the steel substitution more than once. Jarqui Jun 2021 #74

Agreed and moniss Jun 2021 #102

They were building Sgent Jun 2021 #103

Although moniss Jul 2021 #111

How much of that would they have in a building that appears to be Jarqui Jul 2021 #112

My moniss Jul 2021 #113

You know the deal on insurance companies Jarqui Jul 2021 #115

Sadly this moniss Jul 2021 #116

Agree completely Jarqui Jul 2021 #117

Florida probably has Trump-style developers IronLionZion Jun 2021 #32

Well yeah, just look at Mar-A-Lago! Initech Jun 2021 #41

Ugh! How disgusting! smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #77

How can he be aware the dangers of COVID IronLionZion Jun 2021 #93

Yes, they do. All of the above. And they're not the only ones. SharonAnn Jun 2021 #70

Designed to rip off everyone and then get blown up? lindysalsagal Jun 2021 #92

It happens everyday, inspector passes marginal concrete, techniques, etc... Historic NY Jun 2021 #34

It must be that some or most owners/landlords do maintenance and repairs. bucolic_frolic Jun 2021 #37

Yep, Glaisne Jun 2021 #38

I found this meme at the start of the pandemic: Initech Jun 2021 #43

With all the buildings, bridges, dams, and highways that are on the verge of failure... Binkie The Clown Jun 2021 #39

Oh this thing is going to end like Fight Club. Initech Jun 2021 #44

I guess I don't really know what I'm looking at in those photos-- Wingus Dingus Jun 2021 #46

Your thoroughly uninformed opinion bluecollar2 Jun 2021 #51

what in those 2 pics shows imminent collapse? I see peeling paint and poorly place wiring msongs Jun 2021 #47

Concrete has completely failed in the left picture. bluecollar2 Jun 2021 #54

I'm sure this condo was built on bribes. JohnnyRingo Jun 2021 #52

I thought exactly that when I read about a "40 year evaluation" Skittles Jun 2021 #56

There were no dire warnings. Just a few concerns brought up Quixote1818 Jun 2021 #57

Let's see the owners of this structure try to justify not making repairs. Sure they are lawyered up Evolve Dammit Jun 2021 #59

Many of the owners Zeitghost Jun 2021 #65

Why did the part of the vuilding fronting on Collins Ave NOT collapse? Warpy Jun 2021 #63

I keep wondering how many people have contacted our condo board.... LAS14 Jun 2021 #66

They have been fairly recently built Klaralven Jun 2021 #67

There are probably many locations across the US that have hidden problems. pjpossum Jun 2021 #72

I would have expected LA to run a tighter ship about building regulation. TomSlick Jun 2021 #75

A year or two ago pjpossum Jul 2021 #104

That would explain it. TomSlick Jul 2021 #107

A current council person is under indictment fromthe FBI. pjpossum Jul 2021 #110

Same in Texas with that one crop storage bin uponit7771 Jun 2021 #73

i worked construction in those days. mopinko Jun 2021 #80

One thing that may be a factor that has not been discussed much is panader0 Jun 2021 #87

Yes, here and there, the replacement of fresh water in the limestone with salt. nt LAS14 Jun 2021 #88

Don't even need ammonium nitrate. malthaussen Jun 2021 #89

I don't think that's saltwater WarGamer Jun 2021 #95

Yeah I'm guessing they spent zero on pool maintenance. Initech Jun 2021 #97

evidently not enough ;) WarGamer Jun 2021 #98

It will be half dozen things, but the final factor may be rising sea & salt infiltration Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2021 #99

Inspectors are good. shenmue Jun 2021 #101

The reason this happens is the same reason a lot of bad things happen, we assume competence. Renew Deal Jul 2021 #114