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Ms. Toad

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46. If you like the 19.2/100 odds of getting COVID,

Sat Jul 3, 2021, 12:21 AM

Jul 2021

not much I can do to change your mind. I just hope you don't contribute to creating more variants or expose any 0-11 year olds while you play Russian Roulette with your own health.

Given the decreased effectiveness of mRNA vaccines against Delta (88% v 95%) and the 60% higher infection rate, the exposure that would have created 100 COVID cases in unvaccinated individuals will create 19.2 Delta COVID cases in those vaccinated with mRNA vaccines - and at least 40 Delta COVID cases in those vaccinated with J&J (likely more, since we don't know what the drop in effectiveness of the J&J vaccines against Delta).

Far too many people are ignorant of how to read snapshots of a particular moment in time, and have extrapolated the minimal risk well beyond what the numbers actually represent.

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Do you think that gyms are safe if you are vaccinated? [View all] Dawson Leery Jul 2021 OP

Depends on the state. Throck Jul 2021 #1

Connecticut. Dawson Leery Jul 2021 #2

I'd be good to go. Throck Jul 2021 #8

Actually depends on the area of the state. GulfCoast66 Jul 2021 #52

Are you masking? we can do it Jul 2021 #3

I am both vaccinated and masked. Dawson Leery Jul 2021 #4

We have a lot of out of state visitors in our resort town. we can do it Jul 2021 #6

Yes Shrek Jul 2021 #5

I'm 100% with you! beaglelover Jul 2021 #17

I still feel fairly safe in CT where we have a high vaccination rate and a low Delta rate. femmedem Jul 2021 #7

I've been wondering the same thing. Bleacher Creature Jul 2021 #9

According to the CDC, yes. bearsfootball516 Jul 2021 #10

And according to WHO you should be wearing a mask. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #37

If I had that shitty Chinese vaccine I would still be doing what I did a year ago GulfCoast66 Jul 2021 #41

If you like the 19.2/100 odds of getting COVID, Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #46

I fully understand how the numbers work. GulfCoast66 Jul 2021 #51

I have been a vigilant workout person since the early 90s Cosmocat Jul 2021 #11

I am at my gym now apcalc Jul 2021 #12

No, and especially if you are high-risk. KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2021 #13

The vaccination rate in Arkansas right now is 34%. We rank near the bottom. Arkansas Granny Jul 2021 #14

I'm curious. What are the main reasons people in your area won't get the vaccine? beaglelover Jul 2021 #20

Yes, both places are entirely safe if you are fully vaccinated. beaglelover Jul 2021 #15

Since I got the vaccine I have gone back doc03 Jul 2021 #16

Were gyms and malls safe before Covid? Klaralven Jul 2021 #18

Depended on the time of year. During flu season, probably more risky. beaglelover Jul 2021 #21

Year and a half ago I was at a restaurant with a group. Waiter was sick. Everyone came down later. Klaralven Jul 2021 #22

The virus aside, Mr.Bill Jul 2021 #43

I dunno, the pool grossed me out even before the pandemic eShirl Jul 2021 #19

I feel the same way about hot tubs. Mr.Bill Jul 2021 #44

Hold off enid602 Jul 2021 #23

93% of the people in Chile got the Chinese vaccine. GulfCoast66 Jul 2021 #45

Chile enid602 Jul 2021 #56

Shows how American press does a shitty job of reporting from foreign countries. GulfCoast66 Jul 2021 #57

If you're fully vaccinated you can go to gyms and restaurants. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2021 #24

Recognizing the limitations of the vaccine is not the same thing as "zero trust" Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #39

So okay. You are very cautious about this. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2021 #53

Yes. The people here who are freaking out at the PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2021 #54

It actually isn't. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #55

Nothing is ever 100% except death. maxsolomon Jul 2021 #25

Do you trust others to be truthful? pwb Jul 2021 #26

I went for the first time in a long time TheFarseer Jul 2021 #27

The risk isn't touching your face. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #40

Safe? Nothing is safe. Airplanes, cars, hot air balloons? Not safe. WarGamer Jul 2021 #28

In a word..No Deuxcents Jul 2021 #29

I think I am safe in most circumstances Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #30

I've been going back to the gym since April mcar Jul 2021 #31

I'm fine with being fully vaccinated. Wolinsky explained the WHO... LAS14 Jul 2021 #32

I'm doing restaurants but I'm keeping an eye on the numbers. There are already a number Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #33

Depends DET Jul 2021 #34

I just took a look at the Worldometer site, and it looks like case numbers are rising again. Crunchy Frog Jul 2021 #35

They have been rising from 3% to 11% over the past 3 weeks or so. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #42

No. tavernier Jul 2021 #36

Too much heavy breathing going on. milestogo Jul 2021 #38

Absolutely not! Gym Jordan should be in jail. madinmaryland Jul 2021 #47

ROLF! Dawson Leery Jul 2021 #60

With layers of protection (mRNA vaccine + masks + distancing) Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #48

Yep. Realize no vaccine is perfect. GulfCoast66 Jul 2021 #49

I desperately need to get back to Pilates or the Y and am trying to goad myself into it... Hekate Jul 2021 #50

According to CDC and my doc yes. KentuckyWoman Jul 2021 #58

Sort of. I'm using some of the equipment in a nearby hospital PT area. Liberal In Texas Jul 2021 #59