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77. The solution always being to make stricter criminal penalties

Sun Jul 11, 2021, 10:03 AM

Jul 2021

now we have too many felons to deal with.

It's annoying, but if the value is low enough, it's a misdemeanor.

It clearly does not work to handle every problem as a criminal matter and merely increasing the criminal labels and penalties.

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More states are making porch piracy a felony [View all] ripcord Jul 2021 OP

stealing mail should be a felony Skittles Jul 2021 #1

Theft of US mail is already subject to up to 5 years in prison. They are talking parcels from hlthe2b Jul 2021 #5

We had mail taken by a local, contacted the postmaster, referred to local police -- nothing done. TheBlackAdder Jul 2021 #109

While it irritates me no end, how can they make it a felony if value of items stolen are minimal? hlthe2b Jul 2021 #2

Just classify the packages as mail ripcord Jul 2021 #4

They can only do so if it is fully or partially delivered by US Postal Service. It doesn't hlthe2b Jul 2021 #7

Yeah change that one statute to include the big four and problem solved krawhitham Jul 2021 #29

Small bill major ramifications fescuerescue Jul 2021 #100

They can change the law to make it a felony. NutmegYankee Jul 2021 #12

It is theft and as such state laws apply for felonious v misdemeanor theft . If it is a USPS hlthe2b Jul 2021 #15

Why are you so intent to go easy on low life scum? alphafemale Jul 2021 #23

I am not. I am telling you this is not US mail theft and new state statutes will have to be written hlthe2b Jul 2021 #24

Yeah, nothing like spending a couple hundred thousand dollars to convict and house petty thieves. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2021 #42

Put Them On Work Farms DanieRains Jul 2021 #59

Work Farms... your description sounds like Slavery to me! n/t DiamondShark Jul 2021 #66

What do you think they do in regular prisons? Straw Man Jul 2021 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jul 2021 #69

And here I thought we were against slavery. n/t DiamondShark Jul 2021 #70

They Weren't Slaves Because They Committed Crimes DanieRains Jul 2021 #102

Maybe the 13th Amendment needs amending. Straw Man Jul 2021 #105

There recently were some threads sarisataka Jul 2021 #96

Your response is to let scum steal for a living. Ask them if they want a cookie. alphafemale Jul 2021 #71

Thousands? Probably $millions! And they drive Cadillacs too! Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2021 #76

You want to coddle criminals? alphafemale Jul 2021 #80

Did you even read my post? NutmegYankee Jul 2021 #30

I had already answered your issue in multiple posts throughout this thread. hlthe2b Jul 2021 #31

I directly responded the first post you made in the thread. NutmegYankee Jul 2021 #32

You don't apparently understand that current state laws as I clearly indicated will differentiate hlthe2b Jul 2021 #34

No, I understood that clearly if you had read my post. NutmegYankee Jul 2021 #35

--which is what i have said continually. I don't get your hlthe2b Jul 2021 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Jul 2021 #72

Felony Hekate Jul 2021 #3

Good thing. Klaralven Jul 2021 #6

It's burglary in a way, because it involves a certain degree of trespass. Dream Girl Jul 2021 #8

It is theft and as such state laws apply for felonious v misdemeanor theft . If it is a USPS hlthe2b Jul 2021 #9

No all USPS.. Half my deliveries are UPS, particularly higher value items. I think prior hearing pir Dream Girl Jul 2021 #10

Huh? i think you missed the point of Federal v State crimes. Porch thefts are only Federal hlthe2b Jul 2021 #14

Porch thefts are already federal crime? I wasn't aware of that. Is this regardless of source? Dream Girl Jul 2021 #16

No. Porch thefts are only Federal Crimes if the package was USPS -processed/fully or partially hlthe2b Jul 2021 #18

Yes I get that. My opinion is that they are a different class of crime because by definition, Dream Girl Jul 2021 #21

Hithe 2B, the OP asked if people thought it SHOULD be a felony, not whether it is a felony. Martin68 Jul 2021 #48

Martin68. I never said any such thing. hlthe2b Jul 2021 #49

True. But you did keep hammering away on the fact that it is not a felony because only theft of Martin68 Jul 2021 #52

Had you read the subthread, rather than dropped in to read a single post, you'd know the answer to hlthe2b Jul 2021 #53

And the USPS rarely does anything to investigate it. Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #20

I assumed it already was, of course it's a good thing.. dewsgirl Jul 2021 #11

I'm all for making it a felony. NutmegYankee Jul 2021 #13

I agree rockfordfile Jul 2021 #38

Thing is, porch pirates could be taking any value of items - haele Jul 2021 #17

It's a good thing Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #19

Good thing IMO 👍 nt Raine Jul 2021 #22

Good thing n/t Devil Child Jul 2021 #25

For the porch pirate keithbvadu2 Jul 2021 #26

A good thing, if you ask me. I don't use this very valuable service because of my fear that my SWBTATTReg Jul 2021 #27

Me too, I would like to use mail order often but Raine Jul 2021 #33

Good thing. It should be a felony rollin74 Jul 2021 #28

I'd rather spend the money on more secure delivery systems than increased incarceration. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #37

Right? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2021 #43

Even if they do ring the doorbell (I can't remember the last time that happened)... Silent3 Jul 2021 #57

Most delivery services have it set so you can get a text the minute that it's dropped Blue_Adept Jul 2021 #75

Yeah we get all those notifications. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2021 #82

Good!!! Nt USALiberal Jul 2021 #39

They really ramp it up during the holidays to steal peoples Christmas presents ZonkerHarris Jul 2021 #40

The "Lock Her Up" mentality plays right into the hands of RWers who profit off the prison system. live love laugh Jul 2021 #41

Don't steal shit off peoples front porch and you won't be arrested. Nt USALiberal Jul 2021 #50

Simply enough, don't commit a jailable offense and there'll be no prisons profiting. nt Raine Jul 2021 #56

Don't steal packages Calculating Jul 2021 #107

The Punishment Fetish is strong in this thread. Iggo Jul 2021 #44

I'd call it hating a thief fetish. I've got no problem with it. GulfCoast66 Jul 2021 #45

Oh, c'mon, Iggo, you sound like a parody of a liberal progressive. Are you against penalties of any Martin68 Jul 2021 #47

Not the point. Either/or thinking treestar Jul 2021 #78

Go buy a bunch of stuff and hand it out then! Nt USALiberal Jul 2021 #51

+1 leftstreet Jul 2021 #54

Easy enough to avoid punishment ... Don't steal! nt Raine Jul 2021 #55

Thats asking too much, that box was just sitting there asking to be stolen Devil Child Jul 2021 #61

My heart cries out for the poor porch pirates! Devil Child Jul 2021 #60

Punishment fetish???? Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #64

You should see the death penalty threads. Elessar Zappa Jul 2021 #81

You're probably the "lock your vehicle..." type... EarthFirst Jul 2021 #86

Well, duh. It should definitely be felony. Isn't messing with the mail a felony? What's Martin68 Jul 2021 #46

Bad...it a minor even it is an annoying crime...why don't we just give everyone a felony.... Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #58

Minor? That depends on what has been stolen. DavidDvorkin Jul 2021 #62

If an object of a certain value is stolen then it is a felony anyway, but to make every Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #104

Might just be annoying to you Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #65

Well I am against targeted justice...hang them high is our motto and when will it end? Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #103

good thing Shellback Squid Jul 2021 #63

A felony charge is a big deal that can ruin a life, or at least make it really hard Sapient Donkey Jul 2021 #67

These porch pirates don't just do it once Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #73

I understand that and I do believe there should be consequences. Sapient Donkey Jul 2021 #74

Unfortunately police depts won't even bother investigating misdemeanors Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #85

I have news for you. They don't "investigate" most felonies. They take reports and have you... Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2021 #98

Agreed. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2021 #95

Simple solution: Don't steal packages Polybius Jul 2021 #94

The solution always being to make stricter criminal penalties treestar Jul 2021 #77

Depends on the value. Elessar Zappa Jul 2021 #79

Just what we need as a nation right now jcmaine72 Jul 2021 #83

People could just stop stealing ripcord Jul 2021 #84

Or we could actually start addressing the reasons why people steal jcmaine72 Jul 2021 #88

Some are just lazy and don't care Calculating Jul 2021 #108

Those words never meant anything to the downtrodden and oppressed. jcmaine72 Jul 2021 #110

+1 live love laugh Jul 2021 #111

I have no problem locking up thieves. Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #87

"I have no problem licking up thieves." Really? Blah! jcmaine72 Jul 2021 #90

Lmao, I really should proof read before I hit post! Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #91

LOL! It happens to us all. jcmaine72 Jul 2021 #92

That was a DUzy!! Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #99

No one knows what is in the package they are stealing DFW Jul 2021 #89

How could anyone think this is bad? Polybius Jul 2021 #93

Lol. The pen? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2021 #97

It's contrary to a current trend of de-criminalizing shoplifting fescuerescue Jul 2021 #101

I have no problem with it. Crunchy Frog Jul 2021 #106

I wonder if in 10 years we'll have a shitload of African Americans in jail for this. Calista241 Jul 2021 #112