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DanieRains

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102. They Weren't Slaves Because They Committed Crimes

Sun Jul 11, 2021, 02:36 PM

Jul 2021

Give the convicted a choice. Work for wages they can keep, and reduced sentences for doing well, or sit in an overcrowded jail cell with 50 other people. If they are in jail, they aren't stealing from any others. If they decide a life of crime is for them, they can stay in jail forever. I am tired of having my stuff stolen.

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More states are making porch piracy a felony [View all] ripcord Jul 2021 OP

stealing mail should be a felony Skittles Jul 2021 #1

Theft of US mail is already subject to up to 5 years in prison. They are talking parcels from hlthe2b Jul 2021 #5

We had mail taken by a local, contacted the postmaster, referred to local police -- nothing done. TheBlackAdder Jul 2021 #109

While it irritates me no end, how can they make it a felony if value of items stolen are minimal? hlthe2b Jul 2021 #2

Just classify the packages as mail ripcord Jul 2021 #4

They can only do so if it is fully or partially delivered by US Postal Service. It doesn't hlthe2b Jul 2021 #7

Yeah change that one statute to include the big four and problem solved krawhitham Jul 2021 #29

Small bill major ramifications fescuerescue Jul 2021 #100

They can change the law to make it a felony. NutmegYankee Jul 2021 #12

It is theft and as such state laws apply for felonious v misdemeanor theft . If it is a USPS hlthe2b Jul 2021 #15

Why are you so intent to go easy on low life scum? alphafemale Jul 2021 #23

I am not. I am telling you this is not US mail theft and new state statutes will have to be written hlthe2b Jul 2021 #24

Yeah, nothing like spending a couple hundred thousand dollars to convict and house petty thieves. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2021 #42

Put Them On Work Farms DanieRains Jul 2021 #59

Work Farms... your description sounds like Slavery to me! n/t DiamondShark Jul 2021 #66

What do you think they do in regular prisons? Straw Man Jul 2021 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jul 2021 #69

And here I thought we were against slavery. n/t DiamondShark Jul 2021 #70

They Weren't Slaves Because They Committed Crimes DanieRains Jul 2021 #102

Maybe the 13th Amendment needs amending. Straw Man Jul 2021 #105

There recently were some threads sarisataka Jul 2021 #96

Your response is to let scum steal for a living. Ask them if they want a cookie. alphafemale Jul 2021 #71

Thousands? Probably $millions! And they drive Cadillacs too! Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2021 #76

You want to coddle criminals? alphafemale Jul 2021 #80

Did you even read my post? NutmegYankee Jul 2021 #30

I had already answered your issue in multiple posts throughout this thread. hlthe2b Jul 2021 #31

I directly responded the first post you made in the thread. NutmegYankee Jul 2021 #32

You don't apparently understand that current state laws as I clearly indicated will differentiate hlthe2b Jul 2021 #34

No, I understood that clearly if you had read my post. NutmegYankee Jul 2021 #35

--which is what i have said continually. I don't get your hlthe2b Jul 2021 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Jul 2021 #72

Felony Hekate Jul 2021 #3

Good thing. Klaralven Jul 2021 #6

It's burglary in a way, because it involves a certain degree of trespass. Dream Girl Jul 2021 #8

It is theft and as such state laws apply for felonious v misdemeanor theft . If it is a USPS hlthe2b Jul 2021 #9

No all USPS.. Half my deliveries are UPS, particularly higher value items. I think prior hearing pir Dream Girl Jul 2021 #10

Huh? i think you missed the point of Federal v State crimes. Porch thefts are only Federal hlthe2b Jul 2021 #14

Porch thefts are already federal crime? I wasn't aware of that. Is this regardless of source? Dream Girl Jul 2021 #16

No. Porch thefts are only Federal Crimes if the package was USPS -processed/fully or partially hlthe2b Jul 2021 #18

Yes I get that. My opinion is that they are a different class of crime because by definition, Dream Girl Jul 2021 #21

Hithe 2B, the OP asked if people thought it SHOULD be a felony, not whether it is a felony. Martin68 Jul 2021 #48

Martin68. I never said any such thing. hlthe2b Jul 2021 #49

True. But you did keep hammering away on the fact that it is not a felony because only theft of Martin68 Jul 2021 #52

Had you read the subthread, rather than dropped in to read a single post, you'd know the answer to hlthe2b Jul 2021 #53

And the USPS rarely does anything to investigate it. Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #20

I assumed it already was, of course it's a good thing.. dewsgirl Jul 2021 #11

I'm all for making it a felony. NutmegYankee Jul 2021 #13

I agree rockfordfile Jul 2021 #38

Thing is, porch pirates could be taking any value of items - haele Jul 2021 #17

It's a good thing Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #19

Good thing IMO 👍 nt Raine Jul 2021 #22

Good thing n/t Devil Child Jul 2021 #25

For the porch pirate keithbvadu2 Jul 2021 #26

A good thing, if you ask me. I don't use this very valuable service because of my fear that my SWBTATTReg Jul 2021 #27

Me too, I would like to use mail order often but Raine Jul 2021 #33

Good thing. It should be a felony rollin74 Jul 2021 #28

I'd rather spend the money on more secure delivery systems than increased incarceration. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #37

Right? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2021 #43

Even if they do ring the doorbell (I can't remember the last time that happened)... Silent3 Jul 2021 #57

Most delivery services have it set so you can get a text the minute that it's dropped Blue_Adept Jul 2021 #75

Yeah we get all those notifications. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2021 #82

Good!!! Nt USALiberal Jul 2021 #39

They really ramp it up during the holidays to steal peoples Christmas presents ZonkerHarris Jul 2021 #40

The "Lock Her Up" mentality plays right into the hands of RWers who profit off the prison system. live love laugh Jul 2021 #41

Don't steal shit off peoples front porch and you won't be arrested. Nt USALiberal Jul 2021 #50

Simply enough, don't commit a jailable offense and there'll be no prisons profiting. nt Raine Jul 2021 #56

Don't steal packages Calculating Jul 2021 #107

The Punishment Fetish is strong in this thread. Iggo Jul 2021 #44

I'd call it hating a thief fetish. I've got no problem with it. GulfCoast66 Jul 2021 #45

Oh, c'mon, Iggo, you sound like a parody of a liberal progressive. Are you against penalties of any Martin68 Jul 2021 #47

Not the point. Either/or thinking treestar Jul 2021 #78

Go buy a bunch of stuff and hand it out then! Nt USALiberal Jul 2021 #51

+1 leftstreet Jul 2021 #54

Easy enough to avoid punishment ... Don't steal! nt Raine Jul 2021 #55

Thats asking too much, that box was just sitting there asking to be stolen Devil Child Jul 2021 #61

My heart cries out for the poor porch pirates! Devil Child Jul 2021 #60

Punishment fetish???? Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #64

You should see the death penalty threads. Elessar Zappa Jul 2021 #81

You're probably the "lock your vehicle..." type... EarthFirst Jul 2021 #86

Well, duh. It should definitely be felony. Isn't messing with the mail a felony? What's Martin68 Jul 2021 #46

Bad...it a minor even it is an annoying crime...why don't we just give everyone a felony.... Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #58

Minor? That depends on what has been stolen. DavidDvorkin Jul 2021 #62

If an object of a certain value is stolen then it is a felony anyway, but to make every Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #104

Might just be annoying to you Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #65

Well I am against targeted justice...hang them high is our motto and when will it end? Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #103

good thing Shellback Squid Jul 2021 #63

A felony charge is a big deal that can ruin a life, or at least make it really hard Sapient Donkey Jul 2021 #67

These porch pirates don't just do it once Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #73

I understand that and I do believe there should be consequences. Sapient Donkey Jul 2021 #74

Unfortunately police depts won't even bother investigating misdemeanors Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #85

I have news for you. They don't "investigate" most felonies. They take reports and have you... Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2021 #98

Agreed. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2021 #95

Simple solution: Don't steal packages Polybius Jul 2021 #94

The solution always being to make stricter criminal penalties treestar Jul 2021 #77

Depends on the value. Elessar Zappa Jul 2021 #79

Just what we need as a nation right now jcmaine72 Jul 2021 #83

People could just stop stealing ripcord Jul 2021 #84

Or we could actually start addressing the reasons why people steal jcmaine72 Jul 2021 #88

Some are just lazy and don't care Calculating Jul 2021 #108

Those words never meant anything to the downtrodden and oppressed. jcmaine72 Jul 2021 #110

+1 live love laugh Jul 2021 #111

I have no problem locking up thieves. Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #87

"I have no problem licking up thieves." Really? Blah! jcmaine72 Jul 2021 #90

Lmao, I really should proof read before I hit post! Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #91

LOL! It happens to us all. jcmaine72 Jul 2021 #92

That was a DUzy!! Marrah_Goodman Jul 2021 #99

No one knows what is in the package they are stealing DFW Jul 2021 #89

How could anyone think this is bad? Polybius Jul 2021 #93

Lol. The pen? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2021 #97

It's contrary to a current trend of de-criminalizing shoplifting fescuerescue Jul 2021 #101

I have no problem with it. Crunchy Frog Jul 2021 #106

I wonder if in 10 years we'll have a shitload of African Americans in jail for this. Calista241 Jul 2021 #112