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Bucky

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18. GOP Grand Old Projection

Fri Jul 16, 2021, 02:20 PM

Jul 2021

Of course Pence suspected the Secret Service had been converted to a secret praetorian guard loyal to Trump over the US Constitution. That has always been the right wing Dominionist dream.

Pence's dilemma was not that he was loyal to democracy and a threat to the coup plotters, but that he had always favored a quiet coup & yet somehow got put in the outsiders' group. He didn't think they would turn on him; his objection was not that God should take over the US government, only that God somehow picked Trump instead of a true Christian.

It would be like if an ethnic Romani had joined the Nazi party because of his anti-semitism, only to later find out his family was on the list too.

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On 1/6, Pence Refused To Get In Secret Service Car Because He Didn't Trust Them [View all] babylonsister Jul 2021 OP

WOW. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #1

Hey man, sometimes those spidey senses kick in and you know something's just not right. TheBlackAdder Jul 2021 #80

Wow Johnny2X2X Jul 2021 #2

He is afraid of Trump supporters. madaboutharry Jul 2021 #3

And he fantasizes that he still has a chance to be nominated as the GOP candidate in 2024, tblue37 Jul 2021 #8

Pence is a weakling. madaboutharry Jul 2021 #10

History won't be kind to him exboyfil Jul 2021 #20

Just saw a clip of pence defending FG. This has GOT Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2021 #84

Pence was picked to be V.P. by Putin via Paul Manafort. Botany Jul 2021 #98

And it was Manafort who pushed for Pence, knowing he was a weakling. Lonestarblue Jul 2021 #29

I don't think Pence is weak. Despite all the risks he still did his job in regards to the Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #78

I agree - thank god Pence stayed out of that car & did the job of certifying the election - bluboid Jul 2021 #87

I think that too. Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #102

I agree. He showed strength that day. IMO, he believed the vp role compelled him to be subservient. femmedem Jul 2021 #90

He may very well have saved the Republic by doing his job. Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #103

Agree 100% Joinfortmill Jul 2021 #92

Biden immediately made changes. SS was likely compromized. Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #104

They came to the Capitol for HIM. Cracklin Charlie Jul 2021 #23

Yup. Joinfortmill Jul 2021 #93

:) Yes, but why? The RW cabal that includes the GOP has been Hortensis Jul 2021 #27

Don't forget the rw-religeuonazi's need for a.... diverdownjt Jul 2021 #50

Think about the French Revolution... In the end they executed early supporters. Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #105

:) Hi, Dems. I do. The Nazis. Many others. Hortensis Jul 2021 #107

It is shocking to me that so many of them are such cold blooded would be murderers...Hotentensis... Demsrule86 Jul 2021 #113

Of course they wouldn't need to get rid of all of us, just those Hortensis Jul 2021 #115

I was thinking same thing Tree Lady Jul 2021 #32

He knew the real targets so he wasn't afraid. nt live love laugh Jul 2021 #61

Yet none of this stops Dense Pense from kissing orange derriere peppertree Jul 2021 #4

Pence said that he and TFG would never see eye-to-eye on the events of 1/6. Snarkoleptic Jul 2021 #5

+1. DUzy!!! Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2021 #85

I read this yesterday musette_sf Jul 2021 #6

I am somewhat impressed that he stayed and did his duty. Cracklin Charlie Jul 2021 #25

I think these idiots were so delusional dianaredwing Jul 2021 #30

Yup. Joinfortmill Jul 2021 #95

I agree. As much ecstatic Jul 2021 #59

Maybe he's like the proverbial broken clock. Right twice a day. calimary Jul 2021 #110

That's a good point GusBob Jul 2021 #35

I doubt that. I think he was more afraid of the Secret Service and chose to stay put. Pobeka Jul 2021 #70

Yup. Joinfortmill Jul 2021 #94

Wow. Just wow!!!! Stinky The Clown Jul 2021 #7

Best thing Pence could do now is join Jimmy Carter Captain Zero Jul 2021 #13

lol salin Jul 2021 #39

I kinda like that idea. His long road to redemption Bristlecone Jul 2021 #71

Best thing Pence could do now is join Jimmy Carter Captain Zero Jul 2021 #15

Sadly Jimmy Carter's house building days are over. That latest story I saw was Jimmy and his wife... usaf-vet Jul 2021 #55

Amen Joinfortmill Jul 2021 #96

I'd Hoped He's Hang On Long Enough For The Word To Come That Guinea Worm Was Gone... smb Jul 2021 #112

And yet he has remained silent instead of exposing malaise Jul 2021 #9

Yeah, fuck that motherfucking Establishment-clause-denying, Trump-sucking weasel. Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2021 #62

Agree- flies know garbage malaise Jul 2021 #63

Ha--I fogot about him attracting flies! Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2021 #64

Flies know a shithead for sure.... AZ8theist Jul 2021 #66

Even better malaise Jul 2021 #67

This is unbelievably disturbing. liberalmuse Jul 2021 #11

Amen to that Joinfortmill Jul 2021 #97

THIS - It must happen. Tiger8 Jul 2021 #108

What The Hell Was Going On And What Did Pence Know About..... global1 Jul 2021 #12

The first thing Hitler did when he had a little bit of power... Bucky Jul 2021 #21

Night of the Long Knives. smirkymonkey Jul 2021 #76

I think it was clear that the SS would do so musette_sf Jul 2021 #44

Kick dalton99a Jul 2021 #14

I suspect just saved his own life. NCjack Jul 2021 #16

The question is was there a failed coup? Buckeyeblue Jul 2021 #17

GOP Grand Old Projection Bucky Jul 2021 #18

When I lived in New Mexico, there were Mexican immigrant skinheads. marybourg Jul 2021 #49

Watched Nicolle last night on the DVR, & by the time it was over I shuddered Hekate Jul 2021 #19

oh my! Roc2020 Jul 2021 #22

Republican treachery is some Super High Heinous Shit Champp Jul 2021 #24

No wonder Biden demanded a different WH SS detail after taking office. sop Jul 2021 #26

I thought of this, too. BadgerMom Jul 2021 #36

Another wow. crickets Jul 2021 #86

Afraid that Trump would have him offed. Wingus Dingus Jul 2021 #28

Yep. twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #101

I almost feel sorry for him. alphafemale Jul 2021 #31

So do I Jilly_in_VA Jul 2021 #34

Bloated Tick's secret service detail should immediately be rotated out and replaced with.... Aviation Pro Jul 2021 #33

Random things WA-03 Democrat Jul 2021 #40

So, Pence was afraid trump would have him killed SCantiGOP Jul 2021 #37

i think the tag line the greatest democracy has been in the rear view mirror since geoge w samsingh Jul 2021 #38

And of course, being the honorable, stand up guy that he is. He came Carlitos Brigante Jul 2021 #41

The dumbfuck still believes he has a shot at the 2024 GOP nomination!! bullwinkle428 Jul 2021 #47

Oh totally. He's gonna waltz right in and snatch the nomination from Carlitos Brigante Jul 2021 #58

Trump didn't seem to mind that Pence was in danger IronLionZion Jul 2021 #42

Of course he didn't mind if Pence was in danger. ShazzieB Jul 2021 #52

Trump controlled the Secret Service bpj62 Jul 2021 #43

I suspect that will be the general understanding as we learn more. Grasswire2 Jul 2021 #73

Holy shit Joinfortmill Jul 2021 #99

That's Hillaryous! In a Sucker-Loser kind of way. czarjak Jul 2021 #45

The only intelligent thing I can think of that he did as VP. nt joetheman Jul 2021 #46

It's a plot that reads like Mission Impossible - the 1960s version bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #48

Or that movie that Bruce Willis starred in where Willis' character kidnapped Blue_true Jul 2021 #72

That's completely disturbing underpants Jul 2021 #51

I'll believe it when I hear it from Pence. WarGamer Jul 2021 #53

This would've been rejected in House of Cards as too implausible. NBachers Jul 2021 #54

He had seen enough movies to know that there would not be a good ending if he got in the car. nature-lover Jul 2021 #56

Holy SHIT orangecrush Jul 2021 #57

Fuckin WOW !!! uponit7771 Jul 2021 #60

And then he reaches out to Trump. marble falls Jul 2021 #65

This proves that Pence KNEW more than he let on that day FakeNoose Jul 2021 #68

BS. This is a distortion of what was reported.... reACTIONary Jul 2021 #69

So Pence was actually being a patriot. Blue_true Jul 2021 #74

There were several other leaders who did the same... reACTIONary Jul 2021 #75

If we read of 3rd world country going thru this, we'd say "Who is the tinpot dictator causing it?"nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2021 #77

Sweet mother of God Blue Owl Jul 2021 #79

Kick....n/t Upthevibe Jul 2021 #81

look at these comments from readers of Seth Abramson's article in MARCH Grasswire2 Jul 2021 #82

I dont buy this story BGBD Jul 2021 #83

I'm thinking he just stayed out of the car because he wanted to remain at the capitol. Mister Ed Jul 2021 #100

Yeah....I don't believe that either BGBD Jul 2021 #111

Supporting Donald is a calculated cost/benefit decision. keithbvadu2 Jul 2021 #88

Pence lost his faith. jaxexpat Jul 2021 #89

Everyone, and I mean everyone, behind this insurrection needs to be outed and charged. Joinfortmill Jul 2021 #91

I read that yesterday and was astounded. Texin Jul 2021 #106

That is shocking! n/t NH Ethylene Jul 2021 #109

How true can this really be? ansible Jul 2021 #114