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womanofthehills

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21. Real life - Mass has over 5000 breakthroughs- 80 deaths

Reply to Tomconroy (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 01:53 PM

Jul 2021

329 hospitalizations for breakthroughs

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/massachusetts-has-now-reported-more-than--breakthrough-covid-infections--deaths/ar-AAMoLQx

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Study: Pfizer vaccine 88 percent effective against delta variant [View all] Quixote1818 Jul 2021 OP

It's interesting BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #1

By comparison condoms are 82% effective with typical use FreeState Jul 2021 #2

No wonder we have a lot of STDs in this country. LisaL Jul 2021 #3

My mind cringes at the idea of atypical condom use. Hugin Jul 2021 #7

Looks like the study was done when alpha variant was still widely circulating. LisaL Jul 2021 #4

The Israeli study is taking a lot of criticism. See link Quixote1818 Jul 2021 #9

Yet I am not sure LisaL Jul 2021 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Tomconroy Jul 2021 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #5

That study was done when alpha was still a dominant variant. LisaL Jul 2021 #6

Why does that invalidate the study's conclusions? Tomconroy Jul 2021 #8

We've seen a lot more break through cases lately as far as I can tell, now that delta is the LisaL Jul 2021 #11

There are no studies yet that link an increase Tomconroy Jul 2021 #15

The study we are discussing LisaL Jul 2021 #17

I did not see that conclusion in the article. Tomconroy Jul 2021 #18

Less effective means more break through cases. LisaL Jul 2021 #20

You are saying something that was not in the article Tomconroy Jul 2021 #23

It's in the article. LisaL Jul 2021 #24

Do you acknowledge the possibility that the numbers Tomconroy Jul 2021 #40

88% that they got against delta is still highly effective. LisaL Jul 2021 #42

I'm saying the numbers from a small sample Tomconroy Jul 2021 #43

Real life - Mass has over 5000 breakthroughs- 80 deaths womanofthehills Jul 2021 #21

Delta is dominant now. LisaL Jul 2021 #22

0.1% - from your link. Voltaire2 Jul 2021 #30

What was the percentage of testing positive in the un-vaccinated population during that same time LisaL Jul 2021 #38

162 million people have been vaccinated. 10% of 162 million means 16 million people Quixote1818 Jul 2021 #19

There are more breakthroughs because Tomconroy Jul 2021 #25

Vaccine effectiveness compares vaccinated cases to unvaccinated cases. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #29

I would agree with that. I assume that there Tomconroy Jul 2021 #32

You can get a rough estimate Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #34

Yes over time it *might* get to 12%. Voltaire2 Jul 2021 #33

What is the current data indicating this? LisaL Jul 2021 #39

That's apples to oranges, though. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #41

Agree. nt Quixote1818 Jul 2021 #31

The article we are discussing showed, albeit small, decrease in LisaL Jul 2021 #26

It doesn't BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #13

Did you actually read the manuscript, considering you claim to understand it? LisaL Jul 2021 #14

I read the article. I understood some things. Tomconroy Jul 2021 #16

I can do better than that. BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #28

Reality is that cases are going up in every state. LisaL Jul 2021 #36

Oh, I'm well aware BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #44

See post 5 BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #12

Post #5 was self-deleted by you. bluewater Aug 2021 #45

Well The New England Journal of Medicine is very reputable. I'll buy it. triron Jul 2021 #35

My wife got Pfizer. I got Moderna. MineralMan Jul 2021 #37