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BannonsLiver

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28. I can do better than that.

Reply to LisaL (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 02:05 PM

Jul 2021

I can read the pattern. Bad news is promoted endlessly and accepted as fact without question. Things that could be construed as even remotely positive are discredited and attacked. Same as it ever was.

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Study: Pfizer vaccine 88 percent effective against delta variant [View all] Quixote1818 Jul 2021 OP

It's interesting BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #1

By comparison condoms are 82% effective with typical use FreeState Jul 2021 #2

No wonder we have a lot of STDs in this country. LisaL Jul 2021 #3

My mind cringes at the idea of atypical condom use. Hugin Jul 2021 #7

Looks like the study was done when alpha variant was still widely circulating. LisaL Jul 2021 #4

The Israeli study is taking a lot of criticism. See link Quixote1818 Jul 2021 #9

Yet I am not sure LisaL Jul 2021 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Tomconroy Jul 2021 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #5

That study was done when alpha was still a dominant variant. LisaL Jul 2021 #6

Why does that invalidate the study's conclusions? Tomconroy Jul 2021 #8

We've seen a lot more break through cases lately as far as I can tell, now that delta is the LisaL Jul 2021 #11

There are no studies yet that link an increase Tomconroy Jul 2021 #15

The study we are discussing LisaL Jul 2021 #17

I did not see that conclusion in the article. Tomconroy Jul 2021 #18

Less effective means more break through cases. LisaL Jul 2021 #20

You are saying something that was not in the article Tomconroy Jul 2021 #23

It's in the article. LisaL Jul 2021 #24

Do you acknowledge the possibility that the numbers Tomconroy Jul 2021 #40

88% that they got against delta is still highly effective. LisaL Jul 2021 #42

I'm saying the numbers from a small sample Tomconroy Jul 2021 #43

Real life - Mass has over 5000 breakthroughs- 80 deaths womanofthehills Jul 2021 #21

Delta is dominant now. LisaL Jul 2021 #22

0.1% - from your link. Voltaire2 Jul 2021 #30

What was the percentage of testing positive in the un-vaccinated population during that same time LisaL Jul 2021 #38

162 million people have been vaccinated. 10% of 162 million means 16 million people Quixote1818 Jul 2021 #19

There are more breakthroughs because Tomconroy Jul 2021 #25

Vaccine effectiveness compares vaccinated cases to unvaccinated cases. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #29

I would agree with that. I assume that there Tomconroy Jul 2021 #32

You can get a rough estimate Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #34

Yes over time it *might* get to 12%. Voltaire2 Jul 2021 #33

What is the current data indicating this? LisaL Jul 2021 #39

That's apples to oranges, though. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #41

Agree. nt Quixote1818 Jul 2021 #31

The article we are discussing showed, albeit small, decrease in LisaL Jul 2021 #26

It doesn't BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #13

Did you actually read the manuscript, considering you claim to understand it? LisaL Jul 2021 #14

I read the article. I understood some things. Tomconroy Jul 2021 #16

I can do better than that. BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #28

Reality is that cases are going up in every state. LisaL Jul 2021 #36

Oh, I'm well aware BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #44

See post 5 BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #12

Post #5 was self-deleted by you. bluewater Aug 2021 #45

Well The New England Journal of Medicine is very reputable. I'll buy it. triron Jul 2021 #35

My wife got Pfizer. I got Moderna. MineralMan Jul 2021 #37