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In reply to the discussion: 49 people who were fully vaccinated have died of COVID in N.J. Here's what we know. [View all]lapucelle
(20,932 posts)60. A statement of facts is not misleading. Facts are not responsible for the inferences (good or bad)
that people make based on them.
Additional facts for consideration are that 19 of those deaths occurred in the most recent 2 week period and that not all of the deaths of vaccinated people who were covid-positive when they died were actually deaths related to covid.
As an example, here is a NJ State Department of Health press release from June 2021 (the most recent breakdown currently available).
As expected, people who were fully vaccinated had less severe illness demonstrated by a small number of hospitalizations and deaths. The Department found that 92 individuals with COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infection were hospitalized, however only 30 were reported as related to COVID-19 illness. There were 14 deaths among individuals with COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infection, however only 7 were reported to be related to COVID-19.
This data shows us overwhelmingly that these vaccines work, Commissioner Persichilli said. It also suggests the COVID-19 vaccines approved for use in the U.S. offer protection against most COVID-19 variants that are circulating. However, variants circulating in the state may cause some of the breakthrough cases.
The 1,319 breakthrough cases represent 0.06% of the 2.2 million individuals who were fully vaccinated between the start of the states vaccination program on December 15, 2020 and April 23, 2021.
Of 92 individuals hospitalized, which represents 0.004% of those fully vaccinated, 30 of the hospitalizations were COVID-19 related and 62 were hospitalized for other illnesses. Of those 30 individuals hospitalized related to COVID-19, 20 had underlying conditions. Nearly three-quarters of those hospitalized71%--were 65 years or older (37% were 80 years or older) and 59% were female.
This data shows us overwhelmingly that these vaccines work, Commissioner Persichilli said. It also suggests the COVID-19 vaccines approved for use in the U.S. offer protection against most COVID-19 variants that are circulating. However, variants circulating in the state may cause some of the breakthrough cases.
The 1,319 breakthrough cases represent 0.06% of the 2.2 million individuals who were fully vaccinated between the start of the states vaccination program on December 15, 2020 and April 23, 2021.
Of 92 individuals hospitalized, which represents 0.004% of those fully vaccinated, 30 of the hospitalizations were COVID-19 related and 62 were hospitalized for other illnesses. Of those 30 individuals hospitalized related to COVID-19, 20 had underlying conditions. Nearly three-quarters of those hospitalized71%--were 65 years or older (37% were 80 years or older) and 59% were female.
https://www.nj.gov/health/news/2021/approved/20210609a.shtml
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49 people who were fully vaccinated have died of COVID in N.J. Here's what we know. [View all]
Klaralven
Aug 2021
OP
49 out of 5.2 million, or 0.00006% !!! Freaking amazing success! Deceptive headline.
lagomorph777
Aug 2021
#59
It's pretty much a given that the data is incomplete and likely an undercount,
lapucelle
Aug 2021
#25
So many would like to know the answer to that. I wish we could get a breakdown
oregonjen
Aug 2021
#28
Exactly. Leaving that detail out irresponsible, but that is the pattern that has been followed
JohnSJ
Aug 2021
#31
49 deaths out of 5.2 million fully vaccinated NJ residents - not a reason to panic.
Fiendish Thingy
Aug 2021
#23
It's good news being repackaged as bad to instill fear (and get ratings/clicks/views)
Zeitghost
Aug 2021
#43
What were they vaccinated with, JNJ or Pfizer/Bio n Tech or Moderna. Isn't that importnat?
JohnSJ
Aug 2021
#29
My condolences to you & family. Months ago it was thought possible we would soon beat Covid
luckone
Aug 2021
#57
A statement of facts is not misleading. Facts are not responsible for the inferences (good or bad)
lapucelle
Aug 2021
#60
While I agree that facts, accompanied by complete information about what the facts mean
Ms. Toad
Aug 2021
#64
I think getting active hospitalized infection rate post vaccinated would help.
FarPoint
Aug 2021
#63
The CDC is collecting the hospital case data, but not all states are choosing to report them.
lapucelle
Aug 2021
#66
All but 6 were 65+ according to the article. That coupled with underlying issues seemed to be the
themaguffin
Aug 2021
#68