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GoodRaisin

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36. I can understand people wanting that as part of a withdrawal plan.
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 03:20 PM
Aug 2021

I'm thinking in this case that with the troops already cut to 2500 by the Trump administration that perhaps weren't enough troops remaining to make those assurances, so it was necessary to rely on Afghan Army support which, of course, collapsed, or; effectively, extend the war he opposed in order to fight longer to achieve a more ideal ground situation. And then, for how long? I'm getting the sense that Biden was already boxed in when he inherited this situation from Trump. I don't know all this, but because there are so many details yet we don't know about it would be premature for me to judge Biden at this point. I think the fact that he does have the airport indicates that there was some forethought used in case the Afghan Army didn't hold. So I think for Biden it was take a risk getting out, or have to extend the war - as Trump apparently set him up for. But he's still fighting and he does have some options (noted in your links) I'm waiting to see how he uses them and hope he can successfully navigate the situation to get those people out who we were committed to helping leave. My guess is we are going to see a couple carriers in the region very soon, ready to butt heads with the Taliban if necessary to get enough of our people and friends out if it comes to that. One carrier group is already there on it's normal deployment (North Arabian Sea) and another could quickly join from it's position in the South China Sea (as I understand that situation).

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Trump gutted the State Dept and the Pentagon BlueLucy Aug 2021 #1
No he didn't reality1 Aug 2021 #2
+1 jrthin Aug 2021 #4
When the Afghan government told the U.S. NOT to evacuate anyone because it would create JohnSJ Aug 2021 #19
Afghan government is corrupt just like republicans rockfordfile Aug 2021 #43
Exactly JohnSJ Aug 2021 #53
+1000000000 Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #55
There wouldn't have been a need for a "fucked up" exit... luv2fly Aug 2021 #3
The war lords put up more resistance gab13by13 Aug 2021 #7
Biden wasn't my first choice but I'm very comradebillyboy Aug 2021 #5
I agree the buck stops with the CIC gab13by13 Aug 2021 #6
What did he do wrong, what should have been done differently reality1 Aug 2021 #10
I'm very progressive as well and voted for the moderate Yorkie Mom Aug 2021 #13
I believe General Milley will be speaking today, and taking questions JohnSJ Aug 2021 #22
I don't feel that way. pwb Aug 2021 #8
Rose colored glasses are beautiful. Yorkie Mom Aug 2021 #15
Have you been to War? pwb Aug 2021 #20
So you supported the lies from Bushco and fox news over the years? rockfordfile Aug 2021 #45
This. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #27
Yeah, they should blown kisses to us on the way out. Baked Potato Aug 2021 #9
I believe history is going to be the judge, as it always is. I agree that the withdrawal seems to dameatball Aug 2021 #11
Regardless of how we feel we're getting lambasted in the press. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2021 #12
Yes, we are. Yorkie Mom Aug 2021 #14
I'm not going to pile on Joe. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2021 #17
My paramount concern is the welfare of the Democratic party. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2021 #69
and the only thing the Biden administration is focused on is evacuating those that need to be JohnSJ Aug 2021 #23
I could careless rockfordfile Aug 2021 #61
I care if it cost us politically DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2021 #63
sky is NOT falling reality1 Aug 2021 #16
I don't think people are "turning on Joe." Yorkie Mom Aug 2021 #24
I hope so reality1 Aug 2021 #34
believe this post is a kind of 'turning on' Biden. We need to support our leaders... Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #57
Strongly agree. Nt Baked Potato Aug 2021 #72
I still support Joe Biden. Yorkie Mom Aug 2021 #73
I doubt this could be done at all without a "mess" treestar Aug 2021 #66
I don't think the failure of a 20-year, 2 trillion dollar attempt at ill-advised nation-building Aristus Aug 2021 #18
I'll agree with that. Yorkie Mom Aug 2021 #25
Just curious of your opinion what he should have done. nt GoodRaisin Aug 2021 #21
Maybe have a plan to Yorkie Mom Aug 2021 #26
Military side is secure reality1 Aug 2021 #33
According to what I read and what I heard from family members, the Taliban is not Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #50
I can understand people wanting that as part of a withdrawal plan. GoodRaisin Aug 2021 #36
Those people should've got out last year. rockfordfile Aug 2021 #46
That is a right wing source...Wall Street Journal... Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #52
Thank you. Caliman73 Aug 2021 #58
Agree. I think he's trying to rectify it, and will. But trying Hoyt Aug 2021 #28
First of all TFG made a deal with the Taliban after the election to cause trouble IMHO...so he Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #48
No. Bushco and the media are to blame. The same goes for trump. rockfordfile Aug 2021 #49
Actually, I do like Biden. That's why I'm shocked he messed this up. george war bush had been gone Hoyt Aug 2021 #51
The media just wants to shift blame because they're knee deep in it for supporting the lies. rockfordfile Aug 2021 #65
This is now. Biden is President, not bush, trump, Obama, Clinton, etc. Hoyt Aug 2021 #67
Yeah and the President is finally getting us out. rockfordfile Aug 2021 #70
He wasn't my first choice or my fifth choice Bettie Aug 2021 #29
don't we always grab defeat from victory? samsingh Aug 2021 #32
So, what would you have had him do? Bettie Aug 2021 #35
Thank you Bettie...so true. Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #38
plan an orderly exit with our allies and those on the ground -get those who helped us out first samsingh Aug 2021 #41
Why didn't those people leave a year ago? trump set a exit for May rockfordfile Aug 2021 #56
How do you know your interlocutor doesn't support our president? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2021 #64
Surely that was planned treestar Aug 2021 #68
It was the bushco that lied us into that country. So yes he's to blame and the media at that time rockfordfile Aug 2021 #54
Watching tens of thousands of Afghan's getting slaughtered samsingh Aug 2021 #30
Watching hundreds of our young men and women in uniform slaughtered is no picnic either. Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #39
i understand there were no soldiers killed in Afghanistan in the last 18 months. samsingh Aug 2021 #40
If we stayed there...more young men and women would die. We had an agreement with the Taliban Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #59
Hello Americans died there. rockfordfile Aug 2021 #71
I'll be honest. Mine was Sanders... ananda Aug 2021 #31
I don't think he screwed it up. The Media frenzy is ridiculous. I was always for Joe and Continue Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #37
No he didn't rockfordfile Aug 2021 #42
Biden was NOT my first choice. WarGamer Aug 2021 #44
I think you are watching too much MSM. honest.abe Aug 2021 #47
+1000 Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #60
Precisely and methodically how should it "go down?" LanternWaste Aug 2021 #62
thank you Skittles Aug 2021 #74
Ridiculous ARandomPerson Aug 2021 #75
I was a day one contributor to Joe and met him at two fundraisers LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #76
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