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hughee99

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48. I'm not trying to be obtuse.

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 12:28 AM

Oct 2012

but I've seen Ryan referred to as a chickenhawk before. I had thought that a chickenhawk was simply someone who supports a war who had never served themselves, but that can't be it. It has to be more than just supporting a war, and it has to be more than just having not served.

I'm trying to figure out exactly what that criteria is, or at least some sort of general consensus.

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So, no Romney men have ever served in the military? That is disgusting. [View all] efhmc Oct 2012 OP

seriously quinnox Oct 2012 #1

They have countless generation of chicken hawks who have not served. efhmc Oct 2012 #7

it would have been nice if you had included that in the OP quinnox Oct 2012 #9

Did not mean to imply that at all. I am a female and a pacifist but it makes efhmc Oct 2012 #15

understood, when you clarified your point it made it clear n/t quinnox Oct 2012 #17

I got your point from jump, however it could use some clarification for newbs and such. Zalatix Oct 2012 #86

You are correct. Wasn't clear. efhmc Oct 2012 #87

I know of none riverwalker Oct 2012 #79

It's disgusting because Risen Demon Oct 2012 #2

Exactly TampaKeeper Oct 2012 #5

That is the difference. I think war is a stupid way to settle anything but efhmc Oct 2012 #8

Yes, this is the issue. (nt) enough Oct 2012 #71

I have only a couple of family members who served... BanzaiBonnie Oct 2012 #3

Two men in my family in Vietnam and neither have ever been the same. efhmc Oct 2012 #11

My dad and all my uncles served in WW2. Eight of them. speedoo Oct 2012 #4

Romney's great-great-grandfather was a US army deserter Brother Buzz Oct 2012 #6

Now that's in depth research. efhmc Oct 2012 #22

My little brother and I served together in Vietnam pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #10

I can't even begin to understand what that must feel like. Glad you are still efhmc Oct 2012 #12

What it was like... pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #41

Can't seem to write anything that would ever make any difference here. efhmc Oct 2012 #43

Umm, I can't remember shit, but . . . Major Hogwash Oct 2012 #65

We lost my little brother 2 years ago pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #66

Oh. Major Hogwash Oct 2012 #68

The Obama family have been deaniac21 Oct 2012 #13

And me, an unabashed liberal Horse with no Name Oct 2012 #14

Texas ranch woman here. All hat and no cattle. efhmc Oct 2012 #19

Thanks for the correction Horse with no Name Oct 2012 #74

You know what's even stranger, Mitt Romney has not come to Fort Bragg one time... nc4bo Oct 2012 #16

Isn't the military suppose to be nonpartisan? efhmc Oct 2012 #21

I "think" Mccain came here.... nc4bo Oct 2012 #23

Because they are not corporation and therefore not people. efhmc Oct 2012 #25

No one is calling him out on it at all. nc4bo Oct 2012 #29

Active support of war + multiple deferments = CHICKENHAWK ... See pic here Bozita Oct 2012 #18

Where did that picture come from? efhmc Oct 2012 #20

pic was taken at Stanford U. Bozita Oct 2012 #26

romney supported the vietnam war....as he went to france....chickenhawk spanone Oct 2012 #27

Linky... Bozita Oct 2012 #36

That pic needs to be in a commercial...where were you Tribetime Oct 2012 #31

Here's another right out of the newspaper... Bozita Oct 2012 #34

Wow, what a piece of work. Let others be killed but I'm going to France. efhmc Oct 2012 #40

I know of no one. Whether by choice or not. I do not know anyone efhmc Oct 2012 #38

hey, are multiple wives a deferment? spanone Oct 2012 #24

Getting married and having children kept many eligible efhmc Oct 2012 #30

Romney's father was managing director of the Automotive Council for War Production in WWII Spider Jerusalem Oct 2012 #28

Maybe but what about "I served the mormon church in France" Romney and efhmc Oct 2012 #33

That's probably how the Romney family learned to make money from the wars. Major Hogwash Oct 2012 #67

No, no it's not. TransitJohn Oct 2012 #32

Would agree if he were not such a bomb Iran chickenhawk!! efhmc Oct 2012 #35

I thought I understood what a chickenhawk was, but after reading this thread, I'm not so sure. hughee99 Oct 2012 #37

See title line of reply #18 Bozita Oct 2012 #39

What is "active support" for war? hughee99 Oct 2012 #45

Is not just not serving but actively avoiding serving. efhmc Oct 2012 #42

So chickenhawks are a dying breed then? hughee99 Oct 2012 #44

Nope, pushing war without being willing to serve makes all 5 romney efhmc Oct 2012 #46

I'm not trying to be obtuse. hughee99 Oct 2012 #48

"willing to serve" seems to be the key here. I do not see any of these efhmc Oct 2012 #50

No, I certainly understand what you're getting at, hughee99 Oct 2012 #54

I understand your differentiation, but even if we had a draft, those folks efhmc Oct 2012 #57

I think the likely would, but no one can say for sure. n/t hughee99 Oct 2012 #60

About Mitt, we know for sure nt pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #70

C'mon brush Oct 2012 #78

You do wonder at his acumen but I think it is his arrogant thinking that he efhmc Oct 2012 #81

Good point brush Oct 2012 #84

A weathervane pointing which every way works for him at the moment. efhmc Oct 2012 #85

Perhaps time and the ending of the draft has created 2 classes of chickenhawls. Bozita Oct 2012 #51

I like that. Sort of clears things up a little for me. hughee99 Oct 2012 #53

I think the older Vietnam era chickenhawks are the worse. efhmc Oct 2012 #56

What's so hard to understand? pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #52

Would someone who voted to authorize military action hughee99 Oct 2012 #55

Look at it this way... pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #58

Well, no one has control over whether their children join or not, hughee99 Oct 2012 #59

Giving up trying to get you to understand this concept. These people (chickenhawks)are very willing efhmc Oct 2012 #61

I don't disagree that Mittens is a chickenhawk, hughee99 Oct 2012 #63

'None so blind as those who will not see' pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #62

It has been suggested by others (not by you) hughee99 Oct 2012 #89

Five sons in a pro-war family, and none serve. Well I hope veterans are made aware of this. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #47

Nothing seems to penetrate when it comes to many vets. They think Dems efhmc Oct 2012 #49

No what is disgusting is that they want war without marlakay Oct 2012 #64

The Romney family has been all about procreating and getting filthy rich. flyguyjake Oct 2012 #69

That attitude has absolutely nothing to do with following the teachings of Christ and efhmc Oct 2012 #73

According to Queen Ann they served two years B Calm Oct 2012 #72

Yes, they had to pedal the area and as mormons couldn't even stop for wine. efhmc Oct 2012 #75

Hard work pedaling the French Riviera B Calm Oct 2012 #93

oh bullshit. cali Oct 2012 #76

Please let me clarify. As I said in post 15, I am a pacifist. It is the efhmc Oct 2012 #80

My daughter just joined the Air National Guard HockeyMom Oct 2012 #77

You must be very proud of them. I wish them success and safety. efhmc Oct 2012 #83

Remember what he said about his sons when asked about them serving Robyn66 Oct 2012 #82

Amazingly arrogant. efhmc Oct 2012 #88

Your families military service is irrelevant to you. DesMoinesDem Oct 2012 #90

Talking about the war mongering mitt and family. efhmc Oct 2012 #91

Sorry, but that doesn't change the fact that your family's military service is irrelevant to you. DesMoinesDem Oct 2012 #92