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In reply to the discussion: I'm not sure if this will cross the line, but if I stray across it will not be the first time. [View all]qazplm135
(7,447 posts)56. because we are a big tent
and because Manchin still being a senator from WV is a goddamn miracle.
Ultimately, if you want those changes, you and everyone else needs to work on getting more Dem senators.
If Feingold beats Johnson in WI, Manchin doesn't matter.
If we beat Susan Collins in Maine, Sinema doesn't matter.
If we had won in FL, NC, and a couple of other places the last two cycles, we'd actually have a bit of wiggle room.
I get the anger, but it's truly impotent rage if it's not redirected into getting more Dems into office.
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I'm not sure if this will cross the line, but if I stray across it will not be the first time. [View all]
Atticus
Sep 2021
OP
Actually we need a massive turnout in 2022, so we don't need Manchin or Sinema to get rid of the
JohnSJ
Sep 2021
#4
Chin it is doubtful that mass protests will change their minds, if what has happened hasn't done so
JohnSJ
Sep 2021
#10
I understand, but I don't think any others are willing to ACTUALLY defy leadership and vote to
Atticus
Sep 2021
#9
It's a miracle that Manchin, who votes with us 60% of the time, got elected in the single state
pnwmom
Sep 2021
#70
She's not getting my vote. I'll leave her position blank before I'd vote for her again. nt
in2herbs
Sep 2021
#24
And I understand what you are saying, I just disagree. We have to contend with that 6-3 SCOTUS
Atticus
Sep 2021
#37
I don't know if I would say that we "played nice" and ALLOWED a stolen seat
Mad_Machine76
Sep 2021
#39
Which options were "legal" are often determined by the winners. IMHO, we allowed an unprecedented
Atticus
Sep 2021
#45
I'm sure you can cite sources to support such serious accusations. Please share them with us. nt
Atticus
Sep 2021
#46
Perhaps Biden can offer Manchin a cushy job like a prestigious ambassadorship after 2023
Lonestarblue
Sep 2021
#48
Please ---that amounts to saving the filibuster that MIGHT help us some time in the future
Atticus
Sep 2021
#50