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FBaggins

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24. No, but then I don't think that he'll have any problem voting "no"
Sun Sep 12, 2021, 06:18 PM
Sep 2021

It's just that he doesn't have to.

Moreover... he won't have to vote "no" or "present" because a failed vote hurts Schumer far more than Manchin. So he likely won't let it come to that until he has 51 votes. So it's exactly the same effect. The bill is "paused" until Manchin decides otherwise.

Other than Sinema, can you name any other Dem senators who would block any of the committee bills or vote no on the final bill?

That's begging the question. There have been a number of Democrats who have expressed concern with the 3.5T figure. But, just like the filibuster, they don't have to upset some on the left as long as the more moderate members are willing to take the heat. They can just make noise like "let's see the specifics and how it's paid for"

It will be interesting to see if Schumer can find a work around to Manchin’s obstruction attempts.

When you see people speculating that "maybe he can convince a couple of republicans to go along with it"... you know that the answer is "he can't". He can only compromise with Manchin in the hopes that everyone to the left of him will accept that. And that House moderates will as well.

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The fossil fuel industry doesn't want that bill to pass. Haggard Celine Sep 2021 #1
I'm so not impressed by Sen. Manchin's "performance". oasis Sep 2021 #2
I don't think Manchin is a Democrat... Septua Sep 2021 #28
He'll be in a world of hurt once Dems have a safe margin in the Senate. oasis Sep 2021 #31
What's the urgency? Goodheart Sep 2021 #3
Go have sex with yourself Joe. nt Hotler Sep 2021 #4
The fossil fuel industry does not want the bill to pass because it puts America on a cleaner lower Botany Sep 2021 #5
Don't listen to what he says, watch what he actually does. Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #6
I don't know qazplm135 Sep 2021 #8
We'll, that's certainly what he *says*... Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #10
You keep speculating that Manchin will put himself in the hot seat? FBaggins Sep 2021 #11
Is it? Haven't seen any such reports-do you have a link indicating the bill is stalled in committee? Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #16
It was part of the organizing resolution of the 50/50 Senate FBaggins Sep 2021 #17
Even with tied committee votes, Manchin would still have to vote No to block the bill Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #18
No... he doesn't have to vote "no" FBaggins Sep 2021 #19
Are you saying he would merely vote "present"? That's just a coward's "no" vote... Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #21
No, but then I don't think that he'll have any problem voting "no" FBaggins Sep 2021 #24
I guess we'll see who blinks first Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #27
It all depends on how you define "blinks" FBaggins Sep 2021 #29
Absolutely- if Manchin starts to communicate specific details of acceptable language for the bill Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #30
He's already said qazplm135 Sep 2021 #15
Manchin is on thin ice here. Tommymac Sep 2021 #7
Joe "Coal" Manchin is on thin ice with Americans for sure, as most want Greybnk48 Sep 2021 #9
I'd get in trouble if... 2naSalit Sep 2021 #12
He'll vote for it. He just wants attention. Buckeyeblue Sep 2021 #13
I think he is waiting to hear from a Republican or two DFW Sep 2021 #14
Fine. Manchin doesn't have to vote for it wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #20
Will he accept 3.4999 trillion? boston bean Sep 2021 #22
He has said $1T... perhaps as high as $1.5T FBaggins Sep 2021 #25
STFU POS Manchin! MoonRiver Sep 2021 #23
Nice to have 'one of ours' doing the gqp's bidding. spanone Sep 2021 #26
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