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Pelosi Caves; Machin Gets His Way [View all] berni_mccoy Sep 2021 OP

And we will not see a reconciliation bill Bettie Sep 2021 #1

The Repubs have stated they'll vote to fund the government and raise the debt ceiling if Dems Calista241 Sep 2021 #90

But you are trusting Republicans to keep their word. TheRealNorth Sep 2021 #121

Oh ye of little faith. Walleye Sep 2021 #2

Your figure on the bill is way off. It's over a trillion... brush Sep 2021 #3

It's not going to happen. Manchin and Sinema are not acting in good faith. berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #4

That's your opinion. brush Sep 2021 #5

This goes against everything Biden, Pelosi and Schumer were saying berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #8

With friends like you, who needs enemies. The 3.5 figure... brush Sep 2021 #13

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 PortTack Sep 2021 #54

Personal attacks are all you have. Got it berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #80

Your pessimism on the Dem agenda is off-putting. During negotiations... brush Sep 2021 #141

It's not pessimism. It's reality. berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #146

You say that yet negotiations are still going on. brush Sep 2021 #147

Tell you what, berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #148

I keep saying the 3.5T figure is a starting point which will likely change in... brush Sep 2021 #149

This isn't a mystery or an attack on progressives...the votes are not there. You have to Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #89

Two votes aren't there. And they never will be. berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #97

And isn't it odd that for all the screaming about progressives Bettie Sep 2021 #99

Agreed berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #102

That depends on your point of view. The bill has passed and is ready to go. Holding it hostage to Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #113

That is true to a point. The reconciliation bill will not pass as it stands now. We will have to Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #100

I know you think it's still going to happen berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #103

We've been to this show before and Bettie Sep 2021 #108

I think something will pass. They are going to put the debt ceiling stuff in it...likely no one will Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #138

The CPC gave the conditions TheRealNorth Sep 2021 #122

I agree with you those two Senators are going doc03 Sep 2021 #9

Sinema has gotten a vote of no confidence from the AZ Dems!! She's toast PortTack Sep 2021 #55

at this point, they are only useful for allowing judges to advance in the Senate TheRealNorth Sep 2021 #126

They've said they won't support the 3.5T figure. brush Sep 2021 #15

They also said it's too socialistic after being asked what $ they'd support berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #17

We'll see. In negotiations you take stances to bargain... brush Sep 2021 #20

Exactly, and we expect Democrats to negotiate in good faith,as opposed to Republicans who lie Walleye Sep 2021 #81

It isn't actually "way off" FBaggins Sep 2021 #7

So that's why it's called the 1.1T infrastructure biparisan bill? brush Sep 2021 #10

Is that in the bill title somewhere? FBaggins Sep 2021 #12

Only WHITT Sep 2021 #35

the bi-partisan bill has only $550 billion on new spend, the other $650 billion is simply re-upping Celerity Sep 2021 #112

Yeah, that's a big comfort Orrex Sep 2021 #72

We don't have the votes. And at the end of the day, it is what it is. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #98

If only we controlled both houses of Congress and the White House Orrex Sep 2021 #101

Don't hold your breath for those ads because they would be dumb. StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #127

Minority rule, gab13by13 Sep 2021 #6

No, the second bill will happen .... Lovie777 Sep 2021 #11

If the Republicans had control of the Congress and doc03 Sep 2021 #14

The Republicans didn't pass anything except a tax cut. They accomplished nothing. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #38

Absolutely. We need to shout that a little louder.one thing we can count on is the GOP double cross Walleye Sep 2021 #85

No, Pelosi didn't cave StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #16

Suuuuure all that talk about passing both together berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #18

Changing strategy/course in response to circumstances is not "caving" StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #21

Those "circumstances" are an unexpected betrayal berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #23

Both "cave" and "betrayal" go way too far FBaggins Sep 2021 #24

If it was this predictable, then why did they attempt it? berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #25

Perhaps you're brand new to this game? FBaggins Sep 2021 #32

Perhaps you are. berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #34

Who are your two Senators? MineralMan Sep 2021 #44

That's a sad excuse for failure berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #48

You did not answer my question, nor did you respond MineralMan Sep 2021 #49

I don't answer to you berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #105

And you don't have to. I can't do anything but ask. MineralMan Sep 2021 #119

I think either one could be elected in AZ dsc Sep 2021 #92

How is the Speaker of the House supposed to "strong arm" two Senators into "holding the line"? StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #26

How do you "strong arm" any Senator? MineralMan Sep 2021 #42

Pork, bribes, Kompromat, whatever it takes. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #63

Who are your Senators? MineralMan Sep 2021 #70

Tim Kaine and Mark Warner lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #71

Thanks. No doubt they will vote with the caucus and MineralMan Sep 2021 #73

Yup! lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #78

Agree...stop bashing our dem leaders! They need our support not negative words PortTack Sep 2021 #60

Exactly.. any port in the storm to use Cha Sep 2021 #142

I don't think she bdamomma Sep 2021 #57

Ten house members want to pare the reconciliation bill down. Hortensis Sep 2021 #19

I don't think that it's even necessarily that FBaggins Sep 2021 #28

THey came around because Manchin and Sinema were envisioning a 1.2t reconciliation bill. Calista241 Sep 2021 #93

Manchin and Sinema aren't envisioning the same thing as each other. FBaggins Sep 2021 #107

True as you say for one of their motivations. And they and the senators Hortensis Sep 2021 #106

Elections have consequences. Clyburn has said that 'defund the police' and other similar Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #39

Here in the Twin Cities, we have a police force in Minneapolis that is out of control ... TheRealNorth Sep 2021 #124

There is no doubt reform is needed but the defund the police slogan was a disaster for us in the Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #135

How many George Floyd's will it take... TheRealNorth Sep 2021 #140

Except the key to those bigger majorities NewsCenter28 Sep 2021 #144

can bdamomma Sep 2021 #59

:) Inked in and coffee stained years ago. Sinema, whose latest fundraiser Hortensis Sep 2021 #111

LOL, she didn't cave, the votes weren't there, thats just reality, no magic wands to get your way Shanti Shanti Shanti Sep 2021 #22

It's too bad that none of the people accusing Speaker Pelosi of "caving" StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #30

"The sky is falling! Abandon all hope. True sailing is dead!" panader0 Sep 2021 #27

Manchin gets shite.... pelosi doesn't care what he says or wants...... getagrip_already Sep 2021 #29

Actually the moderate want to pass the bipartisan bill now to kill the reconciliation bill Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #83

That is not true. It has never been true. Moderates know the votes are not there to pass the Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #96

The moderates in Gottheimer's gang who want to kill reconciliation are mostly in safe seats Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #114

Maybe...but there is no reason not to pass the infrastructure bill and the reconciliation bill could Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #115

The *only* reason to pass the bipartisan bill first is to KILL reconciliation Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #125

There are two separate bills. I do not believe the infrastructure bill will kill anything. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #134

No she didn't. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #31

I think we will get the second bill but less money...I am very relieved we will get Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #33

Nobody "Caved." You are mistaking strategy for surrender. MineralMan Sep 2021 #36

What is the strategy of making frequent statements in the press that you later have to go back on? MichMan Sep 2021 #47

because it works until it doesn't....... getagrip_already Sep 2021 #51

Well, legislative leaders often make such statements, but MineralMan Sep 2021 #66

W.VA must be bombarded with truth flyers and Biden ads where ever possible. nt joetheman Sep 2021 #37

WVA is a red state...crimson...it is a miracle that Manchin has survived. And when he is gone, there Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #40

Thank you for sharing your voice of REASON!! NurseJackie Sep 2021 #53

You too! One poster actually said it would be better if Manchin was a Republican which would put Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #58

at some point we would be better of at least politically if McConnell were in charge dsc Sep 2021 #110

That is just not true. And I suppose SCOTUS doesn't matter...it is never a good idea for the GOP to Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #116

appointments is the one place where it matters alot dsc Sep 2021 #118

Breyer needs to be persuaded to retire IMHO. I fear for our country if McConnell is in charge of Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #120

I would add that adding to our majority rather than caving to the Republicans would make more sense Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #117

You really believe that? StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #128

We haven't hit that point yet dsc Sep 2021 #130

I don't think that will happen StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #132

To what end, exactly? MineralMan Sep 2021 #41

And you know this can all be traced back to the message voters who stabbed Obama in the Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #43

But, then there would be nothing to complain about. MineralMan Sep 2021 #46

And there it is, in a nutshell StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #56

haha, Good point! Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #64

Exactly! StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #52

++++++ I can't count the number of times I posted during the '16 campaign remember SCOTUS PortTack Sep 2021 #65

I used it for GOTV...we have a script but I was so concerned I pushed that issue...it would Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #74

It's always the same ones. The "but-her-emails" crowd and the "Dems-are-Coastal-Elites" crowd... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #67

I believe such folks encourage low voter turnout...you hold our leaders feet to the fire and we Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #75

I'm sick of it! And then after the sabotage and kneecapping is complete... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #84

I despise Michael Moore, Justice Democrats, Greens, the People's Party(Nina Turner) and Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #87

Her tenure is limited. Obsessing over her is a waste of time... I don't know why people bother. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #94

I agree...can't see her running again. My fear that we run a Democrat who is to far left to win this Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #104

Now they are the same ones who are complaining mcar Sep 2021 #131

This +1000! mcar Sep 2021 #129

We took the opposite messages from 2010 to 2014 NewsCenter28 Sep 2021 #145

Fuck it.................. Nothing to see here folks, move along. nt Hotler Sep 2021 #45

And there it is.. Patton French Sep 2021 #50

I see no reason why we should approve a 1 trillion dollar give away... TheRealNorth Sep 2021 #61

Seriously, it has been posted here. That bill has good things in it...and we need roads and Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #76

"Democrats in disarray... sarisataka Sep 2021 #62

Democrats are not in disarray...I have said for a while now the reconciliation bill was in trouble. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #79

Love ya Demsrule86 otherwise NewsCenter28 Sep 2021 #143

OK, so they put the so-called 'Bipartisan' bill up for a vote. House of Roberts Sep 2021 #68

I sincerely hope not or we will lose the House and Senate in the midterms and God help us in Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #82

Depends. Calista241 Sep 2021 #95

Huh. I think I'll wait and see before stillcool Sep 2021 #69

The CPC will kill the bipartisan bill if it comes to the floor before the reconciliation bill passes Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #77

And then we get nothing. I will never forgive any politician who votes agoinst this bill... Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #86

Pelosi won't bring the bill to the floor unless she has the votes, which she doesn't Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #91

If they kill the bipartisan bill whether, they vote on it or not...they are my list. And it is Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #109

It won't be the progressives who kill the bipartisan bill, only Manchin & Sinema can Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #123

The bipartisan bill has passed the Senate...nothing needs to be done on it...and if you mean that Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #136

The reconciliation bill is already being held hostage Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #139

I hope she has the votes...I can tell you...it is a disgrace to hold a bill hostage for any reason. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #137

It's over. They'll probably blame the reconciliation bill failure on Inflation. n/t Calista241 Sep 2021 #88

And that will be that BradAllison Sep 2021 #133