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74. I think the experts aren't presenting the public with all the options
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 09:20 PM
Oct 2021

People are forced to rely on random quack doctors to get information. However, one thing I stumbled on accidentally is intermittent fasting, or some version of it. I started to fall into a routine where I'd be super focused and working marathon hours and maybe eat a light dinner due to running out of food and/or not feeling like cooking. Then other days I would stock up on groceries and damn near binge.

Over a period of time--maybe months or years (it's kind of a blur now)--my metabolism changed and I went from someone who couldn't eat a donut without gaining 2 lb to someone who could eat whatever the hell I wanted to with no consequences. My metabolism changed to the way it was back when I was a kid. Now I can eat anything I want with no dieting or unintentional intermittent fasting.

There's a doctor who talked about this concept and how intermittent fasting activates a "skinny" gene. But you'll never hear concepts like this discussed in health class. They just show you the ridiculous and unrealistic food plate diagram that is nearly impossible to follow. They don't take into account how carbohydrates affect the appetite or cravings, etc.

All of that said, weight does not automatically equate to good health. I'm just now starting to take my nutrition more seriously. Today was the first day in probably more than 10 years that I've managed to drink 64 oz of plain water with no extra sweeteners added.

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I'd not guess obese at all. jimfields33 Oct 2021 #1
No-one is discussing her looks. They are discussing her health. cinematicdiversions Oct 2021 #100
Actually stupid corona killed her. jimfields33 Oct 2021 #107
She'd also most likely be alive if she didn't have a big risk factor crimycarny Oct 2021 #115
Oh goodness. The poor family. jimfields33 Oct 2021 #120
OP is not suggesting targeting this bereft family. DeeNice Oct 2021 #165
I'm also just shocked obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #184
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2021 #172
If you look at the pictures of kids that have died from COVID, Blue_true Oct 2021 #153
Part of the issue is food deserts. Phoenix61 Oct 2021 #2
It is both diet and lack of exercise malaise Oct 2021 #30
High fructose corn syrup is the worst crimycarny Oct 2021 #49
Valid point malaise Oct 2021 #59
His liver suffered much worse. Aristus Oct 2021 #116
Plain ole sucrose has almost as much fructose. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #136
Remember "oleo"? crimycarny Oct 2021 #139
Used margarine for YEARS Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #160
Ball U! crimycarny Oct 2021 #180
Go Cardinals! Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #182
You have a point. Blue_true Oct 2021 #155
I've been trying to learn as much about sugar as I can... Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #161
Wow. Blue_true Oct 2021 #170
BTW, you don't need to consume sugar. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #183
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Oct 2021 #31
I don't agree with the food deserts theory canetoad Oct 2021 #104
You may not agree but it's the reality for a lot of Phoenix61 Oct 2021 #108
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2021 #175
I don't believe I mentioned anything about Phoenix61 Oct 2021 #177
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2021 #178
Food desert though is really an incorrect term cinematicdiversions Oct 2021 #196
I can't imagine hauling groceries for a family of Phoenix61 Oct 2021 #199
That's a very good point crimycarny Oct 2021 #118
So, what's your plan Bettie Oct 2021 #3
Childhood obesity is a serious health issue Phoenix61 Oct 2021 #12
Reminder: fat does not cause diebetes. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #138
Apparently not. Phoenix61 Oct 2021 #144
I doubt that conclusion. So do a lot of experts. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #147
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2021 #173
My plan would be take sugar out of all Tree Lady Oct 2021 #16
How about people controlling how much sugar they consume? Blue_true Oct 2021 #156
thank you for proving my point crimycarny Oct 2021 #23
It's not difficult to separate the honest discussions from the less-than-honest. LanternWaste Oct 2021 #51
Not sure of your point crimycarny Oct 2021 #60
. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #55
I think had you started a generic thread on childhood obesity, jimfields33 Oct 2021 #110
I didn't even know she was Hispanic crimycarny Oct 2021 #121
Bottom line is you did start a discussion so that is good. jimfields33 Oct 2021 #122
Treat the cause of Type II... Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #148
Yep I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2021 #79
And don't you wonder Bettie Oct 2021 #98
I went through some I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2021 #99
I am so sorry this brought up those feelings Bettie Oct 2021 #109
Im glad you brought it up I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2021 #158
I NEVER said it was her fault! crimycarny Oct 2021 #126
Leaving for a camping trip Bettie Oct 2021 #130
Again, stop projecting crimycarny Oct 2021 #133
Yes, love the body you have crimycarny Oct 2021 #131
People are poor or having to work multiple jobs obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #185
watch street films from the early 1900's and there's very few obese ppl, and by street msongs Oct 2021 #4
And people live longer now. Amazing! WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #9
yes, overall medical care for all conditions has improved greatly. penicillin anyone? nt msongs Oct 2021 #13
1900s? Go look at film from the 1980s inwiththenew Oct 2021 #124
Everything You Know About Obesity is Wrong WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #5
Right back at you... crimycarny Oct 2021 #33
BMI is junk science, but okay! WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #38
ok, so the NIH lied then crimycarny Oct 2021 #44
I mean...if you use a junk science ruler to measure something, why should I care what your findings WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #50
So you don't think the rise in diabetes is real then? crimycarny Oct 2021 #56
I'm sure it is, but it's more of a result of nutrition and activity than BMI. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #64
Been T2 Diabetic for 18 years. CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #105
There is a unequivocal link between diabetes and weight crimycarny Oct 2021 #119
Been diabetic for 18 years CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #123
This is devolving into a conversation about diabetes crimycarny Oct 2021 #128
There is also an unequivocal link between bleeding and cuts Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #181
And I think this is almost 100% correct Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #179
Don't mistake correlation for causation Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #168
BMI is literally junk science obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #186
Obesity is only a problem.... Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #149
Unfortunately Zeitghost Oct 2021 #6
Weight is not a reliable indicator of health. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #8
You can spin it how you want Zeitghost Oct 2021 #10
Yeah, it's not spin. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #14
Really. Ms. Toad Oct 2021 #17
How many hours did it take you to ride Casady1 Oct 2021 #34
Ride time was roughly 14 hours Ms. Toad Oct 2021 #65
My husband "cured" his diabetes by exercising--he is still "technically" overweight crimycarny Oct 2021 #39
Exercising has no impact on mine. Ms. Toad Oct 2021 #80
I do carb management too I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2021 #87
Mine raises due to stress, as well. Ms. Toad Oct 2021 #97
Ugh..my husband lives on carbs crimycarny Oct 2021 #137
Yay! Ms. Toad Oct 2021 #146
It is amazing Casady1 Oct 2021 #20
Almost as amazing as how people want to vilify it. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #26
Indeed Zeitghost Oct 2021 #27
+1 Celerity Oct 2021 #69
Welll... maybe..... but not always? Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #169
One thing you don't see Casady1 Oct 2021 #25
I've seen quite a few, but of course anecdotes aren't data. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #28
The other thing you don't Casady1 Oct 2021 #32
We should really do something about tall people. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #35
Just saying Casady1 Oct 2021 #36
Jesus, Whiskey, this thread obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #187
My grandpa was a big fat guy who lived into his mid-80's. Sapient Donkey Oct 2021 #142
It's not an indicator of health forthemiddle Oct 2021 #125
We Need To Do Better DET Oct 2021 #42
Yes--some of the responses here are what I expected crimycarny Oct 2021 #53
Agree with you, no one will discuss it Johnny2X2X Oct 2021 #127
Is there an obesity epidemic? Or are more people falling under made-up rules standards based on WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #7
Sorry, not possible apparently. NT enough Oct 2021 #11
Look at pictures of the fat man in the circus Casady1 Oct 2021 #15
Yeah, you just proved what I was wondering about some of your posts obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #188
Michelle Obama already tried this. Same anti-masking parents went crazy with FOX News. nt joetheman Oct 2021 #18
Pre Covid, a neighbors kid age 16 died in his computer chair. Throck Oct 2021 #19
A simple glance at this thread and others Zeitghost Oct 2021 #21
People Casady1 Oct 2021 #41
Losing weight more often leads to gaining weight back and then some, actually. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #57
Not if you lose the weight by exercise crimycarny Oct 2021 #70
"Increasing metabolism" with exercise is a myth. You can tweak your metabolism a little bit, WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #73
Right?! It is literally the opposite of what the poster said obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #190
No, it is literally the opposite obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #189
And your point is? Casady1 Oct 2021 #71
Why bother losing? Going up and down is harder on your metabolic health than carrying extra WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #77
Generally speaking Casady1 Oct 2021 #81
You're talking about weight, not fitness. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #82
Yes Casady1 Oct 2021 #83
It's a ridiculous question that illustrates the issue. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #90
What would you rather be Casady1 Oct 2021 #92
It's not though. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #95
yes it is Casady1 Oct 2021 #96
I don't, because my answer isn't one number or the other. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #111
They are honestly no different than the anti-vaxxers, cinematicdiversions Oct 2021 #101
I saw a documentary about childhood obesity a few years ago. betsuni Oct 2021 #22
That was in WV in a very poor area with very low employment obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #191
I am so glad you posted this first Sympthsical Oct 2021 #24
Weight is not a reliable indicator of health. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #29
No, but amount of body fat percentage and fat distribution are Sympthsical Oct 2021 #40
I just did a google search for "death rates due to obesity" grumpyduck Oct 2021 #45
The "weight is not a reliable indicator" stuff comes from BMI Sympthsical Oct 2021 #54
. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #47
I'm not defending BMI Sympthsical Oct 2021 #58
No it's not crimycarny Oct 2021 #43
If kids exercise and are still fat, what then? WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #48
I guess we'll know when that happens crimycarny Oct 2021 #63
. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #68
Nothing I say is going to matter crimycarny Oct 2021 #72
Weird, I feel like the people who are So Concerned about childhood obesity are the ones WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #78
Didn't I write several posts about the importance of exercise? crimycarny Oct 2021 #84
I mean...you started this thread with "obesity" in the title. The modern concept of obesity is based WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #88
I mentioned obesity crimycarny Oct 2021 #93
. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #94
Because BMI is how we state medically if someone is obese or not obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #192
Everything I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2021 #37
Refined, processed sugar is highly addictive Sympthsical Oct 2021 #46
Cant do splenda I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2021 #75
So true crimycarny Oct 2021 #85
When I was little, we were outside playing as often as possible. ananda Oct 2021 #52
THIS malaise Oct 2021 #62
Also the news media makes parents terrified to let their kids out the door. meadowlander Oct 2021 #91
When I was young, we walked or rode bikes everywhere. MichMan Oct 2021 #171
The Pandemic Has Worsened the U.S. Obesity Epidemic Celerity Oct 2021 #61
People should eat well and exercise Dorian Gray Oct 2021 #66
I'm not shaming her crimycarny Oct 2021 #113
A lot of people Dorian Gray Oct 2021 #159
For whatever it's worth the CDC does say that Tomconroy Oct 2021 #67
I think the experts aren't presenting the public with all the options ecstatic Oct 2021 #74
I've tried not eating after 6 pm crimycarny Oct 2021 #89
For years I've eaten once a day canetoad Oct 2021 #106
I don't eat three meals a day crimycarny Oct 2021 #143
Eating right before bed is perfectly fine obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #193
I have been intermittent fasting, eating in moonscape Oct 2021 #76
I agree, childhood obesity is worse than when I was a kid (I'm 65) slightlv Oct 2021 #86
I mean the things you point to are... Simplistic CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #102
Crimy - Ima give a rec canetoad Oct 2021 #103
Thank you crimycarny Oct 2021 #114
What causes obesity & overweight? Roisin Ni Fiachra Oct 2021 #112
Weight gain/loss is a function of calories gained vs. calories spent. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2021 #117
100% agree crimycarny Oct 2021 #129
That last sentence is completely wrong. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #135
I was imprecise in my meaning. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2021 #163
I still disagree to an extent. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #164
There are some social/evolutionary factors to consider as well. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2021 #166
I cannot agree more Johnny2X2X Oct 2021 #174
I saw an interview with the parents madville Oct 2021 #132
Obesity is not a disease. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #134
CDC defines obesity as a chronic disease crimycarny Oct 2021 #140
I was diagnosed with Type II about a year ago... Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #145
Obesity is a complex disease involving an excessive amount of body fat. Obesity isn't just a Celerity Oct 2021 #141
With all due respect... Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #150
I'm going to chime in awfully late to the thread (long) MissB Oct 2021 #151
Agree with all you said crimycarny Oct 2021 #157
If it was ...."EASY" to deal with .."Obesity",.. it wouldn't exist..NOT EASY...VERY COMPLICATED.. Stuart G Oct 2021 #194
I saw a picture of the girl that passed. She looked obese. nt Blue_true Oct 2021 #152
She was. nt Celerity Oct 2021 #198
When it comes to Covid vulnerability, it's basically too late. maxsolomon Oct 2021 #154
Correlation not causation... Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #162
Being outside isn't healthy like it used to be Marthe48 Oct 2021 #167
I don't know about other locations Zeitghost Oct 2021 #195
Overall the environment is much better than it was 40 years cinematicdiversions Oct 2021 #197
"Feed the gut and protect the liver" Robert Lustig GumboYaYa Oct 2021 #176
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