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Phoenix61

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Wed Oct 6, 2021, 05:57 PM

Oct 2021

“While hyperinsulinemia is often seen in people with early stage type 2 diabetes mellitus, it is not the cause of the condition and is only one symptom of the disease. “

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We need to have an honest discussion about the obesity epidemic in the US--especially kids [View all] crimycarny Oct 2021 OP

I'd not guess obese at all. jimfields33 Oct 2021 #1

No-one is discussing her looks. They are discussing her health. cinematicdiversions Oct 2021 #100

Actually stupid corona killed her. jimfields33 Oct 2021 #107

She'd also most likely be alive if she didn't have a big risk factor crimycarny Oct 2021 #115

Oh goodness. The poor family. jimfields33 Oct 2021 #120

OP is not suggesting targeting this bereft family. DeeNice Oct 2021 #165

I'm also just shocked obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #184

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2021 #172

If you look at the pictures of kids that have died from COVID, Blue_true Oct 2021 #153

Part of the issue is food deserts. Phoenix61 Oct 2021 #2

It is both diet and lack of exercise malaise Oct 2021 #30

High fructose corn syrup is the worst crimycarny Oct 2021 #49

Valid point malaise Oct 2021 #59

His liver suffered much worse. Aristus Oct 2021 #116

Plain ole sucrose has almost as much fructose. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #136

Remember "oleo"? crimycarny Oct 2021 #139

Used margarine for YEARS Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #160

Ball U! crimycarny Oct 2021 #180

Go Cardinals! Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #182

You have a point. Blue_true Oct 2021 #155

I've been trying to learn as much about sugar as I can... Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #161

Wow. Blue_true Oct 2021 #170

BTW, you don't need to consume sugar. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #183

This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Oct 2021 #31

I don't agree with the food deserts theory canetoad Oct 2021 #104

You may not agree but it's the reality for a lot of Phoenix61 Oct 2021 #108

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2021 #175

I don't believe I mentioned anything about Phoenix61 Oct 2021 #177

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2021 #178

Food desert though is really an incorrect term cinematicdiversions Oct 2021 #196

I can't imagine hauling groceries for a family of Phoenix61 Oct 2021 #199

That's a very good point crimycarny Oct 2021 #118

So, what's your plan Bettie Oct 2021 #3

Childhood obesity is a serious health issue Phoenix61 Oct 2021 #12

Reminder: fat does not cause diebetes. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #138

Apparently not. Phoenix61 Oct 2021 #144

I doubt that conclusion. So do a lot of experts. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #147

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2021 #173

My plan would be take sugar out of all Tree Lady Oct 2021 #16

How about people controlling how much sugar they consume? Blue_true Oct 2021 #156

thank you for proving my point crimycarny Oct 2021 #23

It's not difficult to separate the honest discussions from the less-than-honest. LanternWaste Oct 2021 #51

Not sure of your point crimycarny Oct 2021 #60

. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #55

I think had you started a generic thread on childhood obesity, jimfields33 Oct 2021 #110

I didn't even know she was Hispanic crimycarny Oct 2021 #121

Bottom line is you did start a discussion so that is good. jimfields33 Oct 2021 #122

Treat the cause of Type II... Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #148

Yep I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2021 #79

And don't you wonder Bettie Oct 2021 #98

I went through some I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2021 #99

I am so sorry this brought up those feelings Bettie Oct 2021 #109

Im glad you brought it up I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2021 #158

I NEVER said it was her fault! crimycarny Oct 2021 #126

Leaving for a camping trip Bettie Oct 2021 #130

Again, stop projecting crimycarny Oct 2021 #133

Yes, love the body you have crimycarny Oct 2021 #131

People are poor or having to work multiple jobs obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #185

watch street films from the early 1900's and there's very few obese ppl, and by street msongs Oct 2021 #4

And people live longer now. Amazing! WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #9

yes, overall medical care for all conditions has improved greatly. penicillin anyone? nt msongs Oct 2021 #13

1900s? Go look at film from the 1980s inwiththenew Oct 2021 #124

Everything You Know About Obesity is Wrong WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #5

Right back at you... crimycarny Oct 2021 #33

BMI is junk science, but okay! WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #38

ok, so the NIH lied then crimycarny Oct 2021 #44

I mean...if you use a junk science ruler to measure something, why should I care what your findings WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #50

So you don't think the rise in diabetes is real then? crimycarny Oct 2021 #56

I'm sure it is, but it's more of a result of nutrition and activity than BMI. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #64

Been T2 Diabetic for 18 years. CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #105

There is a unequivocal link between diabetes and weight crimycarny Oct 2021 #119

Been diabetic for 18 years CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #123

This is devolving into a conversation about diabetes crimycarny Oct 2021 #128

There is also an unequivocal link between bleeding and cuts Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #181

And I think this is almost 100% correct Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #179

Don't mistake correlation for causation Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #168

BMI is literally junk science obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #186

Obesity is only a problem.... Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #149

Unfortunately Zeitghost Oct 2021 #6

Weight is not a reliable indicator of health. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #8

You can spin it how you want Zeitghost Oct 2021 #10

Yeah, it's not spin. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #14

Really. Ms. Toad Oct 2021 #17

How many hours did it take you to ride Casady1 Oct 2021 #34

Ride time was roughly 14 hours Ms. Toad Oct 2021 #65

My husband "cured" his diabetes by exercising--he is still "technically" overweight crimycarny Oct 2021 #39

Exercising has no impact on mine. Ms. Toad Oct 2021 #80

I do carb management too I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2021 #87

Mine raises due to stress, as well. Ms. Toad Oct 2021 #97

Ugh..my husband lives on carbs crimycarny Oct 2021 #137

Yay! Ms. Toad Oct 2021 #146

It is amazing Casady1 Oct 2021 #20

Almost as amazing as how people want to vilify it. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #26

Indeed Zeitghost Oct 2021 #27

+1 Celerity Oct 2021 #69

Welll... maybe..... but not always? Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #169

One thing you don't see Casady1 Oct 2021 #25

I've seen quite a few, but of course anecdotes aren't data. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #28

The other thing you don't Casady1 Oct 2021 #32

We should really do something about tall people. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #35

Just saying Casady1 Oct 2021 #36

Jesus, Whiskey, this thread obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #187

My grandpa was a big fat guy who lived into his mid-80's. Sapient Donkey Oct 2021 #142

It's not an indicator of health forthemiddle Oct 2021 #125

We Need To Do Better DET Oct 2021 #42

Yes--some of the responses here are what I expected crimycarny Oct 2021 #53

Agree with you, no one will discuss it Johnny2X2X Oct 2021 #127

Is there an obesity epidemic? Or are more people falling under made-up rules standards based on WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #7

Sorry, not possible apparently. NT enough Oct 2021 #11

Look at pictures of the fat man in the circus Casady1 Oct 2021 #15

Yeah, you just proved what I was wondering about some of your posts obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #188

Michelle Obama already tried this. Same anti-masking parents went crazy with FOX News. nt joetheman Oct 2021 #18

Pre Covid, a neighbors kid age 16 died in his computer chair. Throck Oct 2021 #19

A simple glance at this thread and others Zeitghost Oct 2021 #21

People Casady1 Oct 2021 #41

Losing weight more often leads to gaining weight back and then some, actually. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #57

Not if you lose the weight by exercise crimycarny Oct 2021 #70

"Increasing metabolism" with exercise is a myth. You can tweak your metabolism a little bit, WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #73

Right?! It is literally the opposite of what the poster said obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #190

No, it is literally the opposite obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #189

And your point is? Casady1 Oct 2021 #71

Why bother losing? Going up and down is harder on your metabolic health than carrying extra WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #77

Generally speaking Casady1 Oct 2021 #81

You're talking about weight, not fitness. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #82

Yes Casady1 Oct 2021 #83

It's a ridiculous question that illustrates the issue. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #90

What would you rather be Casady1 Oct 2021 #92

It's not though. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #95

yes it is Casady1 Oct 2021 #96

I don't, because my answer isn't one number or the other. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #111

They are honestly no different than the anti-vaxxers, cinematicdiversions Oct 2021 #101

I saw a documentary about childhood obesity a few years ago. betsuni Oct 2021 #22

That was in WV in a very poor area with very low employment obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #191

I am so glad you posted this first Sympthsical Oct 2021 #24

Weight is not a reliable indicator of health. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #29

No, but amount of body fat percentage and fat distribution are Sympthsical Oct 2021 #40

I just did a google search for "death rates due to obesity" grumpyduck Oct 2021 #45

The "weight is not a reliable indicator" stuff comes from BMI Sympthsical Oct 2021 #54

. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #47

I'm not defending BMI Sympthsical Oct 2021 #58

No it's not crimycarny Oct 2021 #43

If kids exercise and are still fat, what then? WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #48

I guess we'll know when that happens crimycarny Oct 2021 #63

. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #68

Nothing I say is going to matter crimycarny Oct 2021 #72

Weird, I feel like the people who are So Concerned about childhood obesity are the ones WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #78

Didn't I write several posts about the importance of exercise? crimycarny Oct 2021 #84

I mean...you started this thread with "obesity" in the title. The modern concept of obesity is based WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #88

I mentioned obesity crimycarny Oct 2021 #93

. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #94

Because BMI is how we state medically if someone is obese or not obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #192

Everything I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2021 #37

Refined, processed sugar is highly addictive Sympthsical Oct 2021 #46

Cant do splenda I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2021 #75

So true crimycarny Oct 2021 #85

When I was little, we were outside playing as often as possible. ananda Oct 2021 #52

THIS malaise Oct 2021 #62

Also the news media makes parents terrified to let their kids out the door. meadowlander Oct 2021 #91

When I was young, we walked or rode bikes everywhere. MichMan Oct 2021 #171

The Pandemic Has Worsened the U.S. Obesity Epidemic Celerity Oct 2021 #61

People should eat well and exercise Dorian Gray Oct 2021 #66

I'm not shaming her crimycarny Oct 2021 #113

A lot of people Dorian Gray Oct 2021 #159

For whatever it's worth the CDC does say that Tomconroy Oct 2021 #67

I think the experts aren't presenting the public with all the options ecstatic Oct 2021 #74

I've tried not eating after 6 pm crimycarny Oct 2021 #89

For years I've eaten once a day canetoad Oct 2021 #106

I don't eat three meals a day crimycarny Oct 2021 #143

Eating right before bed is perfectly fine obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #193

I have been intermittent fasting, eating in moonscape Oct 2021 #76

I agree, childhood obesity is worse than when I was a kid (I'm 65) slightlv Oct 2021 #86

I mean the things you point to are... Simplistic CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #102

Crimy - Ima give a rec canetoad Oct 2021 #103

Thank you crimycarny Oct 2021 #114

What causes obesity & overweight? Roisin Ni Fiachra Oct 2021 #112

Weight gain/loss is a function of calories gained vs. calories spent. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2021 #117

100% agree crimycarny Oct 2021 #129

That last sentence is completely wrong. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #135

I was imprecise in my meaning. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2021 #163

I still disagree to an extent. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #164

There are some social/evolutionary factors to consider as well. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2021 #166

I cannot agree more Johnny2X2X Oct 2021 #174

I saw an interview with the parents madville Oct 2021 #132

Obesity is not a disease. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #134

CDC defines obesity as a chronic disease crimycarny Oct 2021 #140

I was diagnosed with Type II about a year ago... Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #145

Obesity is a complex disease involving an excessive amount of body fat. Obesity isn't just a Celerity Oct 2021 #141

With all due respect... Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #150

I'm going to chime in awfully late to the thread (long) MissB Oct 2021 #151

Agree with all you said crimycarny Oct 2021 #157

If it was ...."EASY" to deal with .."Obesity",.. it wouldn't exist..NOT EASY...VERY COMPLICATED.. Stuart G Oct 2021 #194

I saw a picture of the girl that passed. She looked obese. nt Blue_true Oct 2021 #152

She was. nt Celerity Oct 2021 #198

When it comes to Covid vulnerability, it's basically too late. maxsolomon Oct 2021 #154

Correlation not causation... Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #162

Being outside isn't healthy like it used to be Marthe48 Oct 2021 #167

I don't know about other locations Zeitghost Oct 2021 #195

Overall the environment is much better than it was 40 years cinematicdiversions Oct 2021 #197

"Feed the gut and protect the liver" Robert Lustig GumboYaYa Oct 2021 #176