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BobTheSubgenius

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105. I used to work in a job that was a great deal of inspecting and certifying complex...

Sat Oct 23, 2021, 10:32 PM

Oct 2021

...life safety systems in public buildings. The legal and civil damage exposure was in the millions, and human life was always at stake. It could be nerve-wracking, and I was certainly pressured more than once to sign off on something that I hadn't actually inspected. The scissor lift having been moved from the site, for example.

I ALWAYS stuck to my guns and made specific notations on my report, if necessary. One of those notations got "our" company dismissed from a lawsuit on the first day.
It's just not worth making someone else's day for them when it could mean huge payouts from your company, and the possible end of my career.

And this story is way, way worse. As far as I know, no one ever died from an oversight in our little sphere, although lots of property was damaged over the years.

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If it hasn't already been said, some support for Alec Baldwin as we know [View all] mahina Oct 2021 OP

K&R! SheltieLover Oct 2021 #1

I feel for him. jimfields33 Oct 2021 #13

It's a movie. Murder mysteries do not glamorize murder. They tell stories. Maraya1969 Oct 2021 #14

Too many guns in Hollywood stories. jimfields33 Oct 2021 #17

Too many guns sold at gun stores. LakeArenal Oct 2021 #37

This is certainly true. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #60

It's a Western set in the 1800's. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #59

sounded kind of knee jerk stopdiggin Oct 2021 #133

It's really weird seeing people like Liam Neeson in the "Taken" series... WarGamer Oct 2021 #71

All the gun nut movies sicken me (and our culture), but the even more obvious question... lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #173

Amen Jilly_in_VA Oct 2021 #2

If you touch a gun the first rule of gun safety is to make sure it is unloaded. former9thward Oct 2021 #9

I've only seen claims that Alec left New Mexico from Fox. Niagara Oct 2021 #15

He had permission from the sheriff to leave anyway. He's already answered questions. meadowlander Oct 2021 #19

I thought so, that's why I asked for a credible source. Niagara Oct 2021 #23

Leave it to FOX, they didn't learn from Seth Rich. 2Gingersnaps Oct 2021 #156

That article doesn't say he left. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #75

No, because as of last night he was still there. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #74

How do you know he didn't speak with the investigators already and get their permission Maraya1969 Oct 2021 #16

That is not how it works on movie sets. There are professionals who handle the guns Evergreen Emerald Oct 2021 #18

Armourer is 24, only second movie as head armourer, meadowlander Oct 2021 #20

I read a similar article. Very scary. BlackSkimmer Oct 2021 #22

Training? Codifer Oct 2021 #47

She was also a scab wackadoo wabbit Oct 2021 #81

Yes-- very key point! Non-union! LymphocyteLover Oct 2021 #83

I have not seen this Zeitghost Oct 2021 #115

don't think that is right stopdiggin Oct 2021 #135

I don't believe that to be the case. LisaL Oct 2021 #145

No. former9thward Oct 2021 #35

You really don't know what you are talking about. Cattledog Oct 2021 #39

Film sets do not get an exemption from standard gun safety. former9thward Oct 2021 #67

Wow. All judged out. Before a release of more info. LakeArenal Oct 2021 #40

Outside a movie set, I could not agree with you more. But there are procedures on sets and hlthe2b Oct 2021 #53

Assistant Director was supposed to check the gun before giving it to Baldwin. LisaL Oct 2021 #66

Obviously their procedures were not followed and incompetence was present. hlthe2b Oct 2021 #77

Reports that some crew members were doing some target practice with the guns womanofthehills Oct 2021 #165

Theater doesn't happen - and that would include movies - unless soldierant Oct 2021 #110

Let's look at what hapopened on that set. former9thward Oct 2021 #68

No one is saying the procedures were either appropriate nor followed. hlthe2b Oct 2021 #76

First Rule Of Weapons Handling... COL Mustard Oct 2021 #26

However you want to phrase it the rule was broken. former9thward Oct 2021 #32

Yup. Another Person COL Mustard Oct 2021 #34

But it WAS loaded... druidity33 Oct 2021 #84

The difference between Progressives and conservatives OrangeJoe Oct 2021 #52

He attended a memorial service in NM gldstwmn Oct 2021 #62

And? former9thward Oct 2021 #69

His family. Not him. You made it seem like he skipped town. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #72

+1 MustLoveBeagles Oct 2021 #157

According to news reports today it looks as though the assistant director was known for lax security gldstwmn Oct 2021 #158

That's not how it works on film sets. Merlot Oct 2021 #120

Film sets do not get an exemption from standard gun safety. former9thward Oct 2021 #141

True, and there are professionals who are there for the gun safety. Merlot Oct 2021 #147

He was also a producer. former9thward Oct 2021 #148

How many... inthewind21 Oct 2021 #205

I'm not going to drag the guy right now ForgedCrank Oct 2021 #3

Alec is distraught as any normal person would be. Niagara Oct 2021 #4

I'm Not Really A Fan Of Alec COL Mustard Oct 2021 #27

Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of his either meadowlander Oct 2021 #38

Good post. n/t NH Ethylene Oct 2021 #126

Same here. Niagara Oct 2021 #48

Very sad situation. Joinfortmill Oct 2021 #5

I'm not a fan, but my heart goes out to both the victims and him. Lunabell Oct 2021 #6

it's a terrible tragedy Skittles Oct 2021 #7

So tragic... Hulk Oct 2021 #8

Absolutely. This is tragic for the family and for Alec. jrthin Oct 2021 #10

K&R 2naSalit Oct 2021 #11

I'm a big fan and absolutely know this was a horrible accident tavernier Oct 2021 #12

I'm Sure The Civil Lawsuits Will Follow COL Mustard Oct 2021 #28

I don't know BeerBarrelPolka Oct 2021 #29

Yeah, But I Think That Had A Larger Budget COL Mustard Oct 2021 #30

Yeah BeerBarrelPolka Oct 2021 #31

I can't even imagine Baldwin wanting to, wnylib Oct 2021 #85

He also held the title of "Producer", the person who makes budget decisions for the project. NullTuples Oct 2021 #150

He's one of twelve producers according to imdb. meadowlander Oct 2021 #160

He was on set, and had the ability to influence what happened. It's that simple. NullTuples Oct 2021 #164

He might not have had those specific duties. wnylib Oct 2021 #161

I've a cousin who did producing for a while. Any one of them has enough clout. NullTuples Oct 2021 #166

I think it was more a case of wnylib Oct 2021 #167

Ah inthewind21 Oct 2021 #206

Then ask your cousin what a line producer is. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #217

I don't think it will ever be finished Withywindle Oct 2021 #109

He was the executive producer and owns the production company. AngryOldDem Oct 2021 #118

The production company was an LLC. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #218

How could this be seen as a mistake? It was an accident, pure and simple... elias7 Oct 2021 #21

How can it be seen as a mistake? former9thward Oct 2021 #70

Baldwin was co-producer. As in "chose not go with union crews" to save money. NullTuples Oct 2021 #106

What I think could have happen? INdemo Oct 2021 #24

Someone suggested that to me last night when we were talking about this. Sh actually niyad Oct 2021 #43

It was my first thought too Tumbulu Oct 2021 #54

Okay, that made my skin crawl. niyad Oct 2021 #56

Honestly that wouldn't surprise me vercetti2021 Oct 2021 #61

Crossed mind more than once too mahina Oct 2021 #64

That's dark and I hope untrue. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #78

OMG! calimary Oct 2021 #116

That scenario is the bases of many a good murder mystery. Farmer-Rick Oct 2021 #125

I Agree. This Is A Tragedy For All Parties Involved. COL Mustard Oct 2021 #25

My spouse is certain he was set up by a Trumper because of SNL performances. apcalc Oct 2021 #33

That was my immediate reaction. YDogg Oct 2021 #41

It sure seems likely to me mahina Oct 2021 #65

K&R. NT ecstatic Oct 2021 #36

Imagine a job where you are handed guns to shoot at people NullTuples Oct 2021 #42

Agree.... No gun should ever be fired in someone's direction. Never. apcalc Oct 2021 #44

Never? Then I'm a fucking criminal. 11 Bravo Oct 2021 #86

Except in self defense... apcalc Oct 2021 #123

Yes, especially since reports say there were problems with the guns already JI7 Oct 2021 #46

You don't have to absolve him of all guilt to feel compassionate towards him. meadowlander Oct 2021 #49

No, corporate insurance now exists to shield from liability and having to increase costs with change NullTuples Oct 2021 #51

I guess what's really bothering me is from his first statement, Baldwin distanced himself NullTuples Oct 2021 #50

Nonsense. The blame can definitely be fixed. Random Boomer Oct 2021 #107

What about the producer(s) who decided to save money and not go w/professionals? NullTuples Oct 2021 #112

Did you even read my statement? Random Boomer Oct 2021 #174

Those are some amazing gynastics. But also, anyone who handles a gun is responsible for it. NullTuples Oct 2021 #178

Problem is, the actor is also the producer & they make the decisions that affect budget. NullTuples Oct 2021 #149

No, the person holding the weapon is ultimately the one responsible. marie999 Oct 2021 #184

I always find it fascinating when people say the one who pulled the trigger is not responsible. NullTuples Oct 2021 #241

There is probably a crisis management team in place and everyone gldstwmn Oct 2021 #219

That explanation is in the LA Times article. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #80

Thank you for your caring and compassionate post. niyad Oct 2021 #45

Yes, horrible for all TFRD Oct 2021 #55

Looks like an inexperience armorer is a factor. No way a live... brush Oct 2021 #57

My heart goes out to him. yardwork Oct 2021 #58

Amen Chicagogrl1 Oct 2021 #63

I'm sorry but... Jetheels Oct 2021 #73

Live ammunition doesn't mean an actual bullet. LisaL Oct 2021 #79

This could be a career killer for him. trof Oct 2021 #82

I just have one question lordsummerisle Oct 2021 #87

Because he is acting in a movie? LisaL Oct 2021 #88

I see, so the film's cinematographer had a part in the film? n/t lordsummerisle Oct 2021 #92

Cinematographer wasn't even supposed to have been in that position during LisaL Oct 2021 #95

Oh, I get it, it's her own fault that she's dead n/t lordsummerisle Oct 2021 #100

You didn't get what I am saying. LisaL Oct 2021 #101

I guess if I were test firing a gun I wouldn't point it at a person first. lordsummerisle Oct 2021 #102

He was told the gun was empty. LisaL Oct 2021 #103

Post removed Post removed Oct 2021 #104

wasn't 'test firing' a gun stopdiggin Oct 2021 #138

You notice that too. hlthe2b Oct 2021 #168

There are inthewind21 Oct 2021 #208

He deserves some of it. Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #222

As I understand it... Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #223

Why are we so willing sarisataka Oct 2021 #89

What do you propose be done with him? LisaL Oct 2021 #90

Nothing at this time sarisataka Oct 2021 #91

Armorer put the guns on the cart. LisaL Oct 2021 #94

To me that is a problem sarisataka Oct 2021 #98

you're setting up a LOT of conditions and protocol stopdiggin Oct 2021 #139

I do not know how it is actually done sarisataka Oct 2021 #146

what I kind of thought stopdiggin Oct 2021 #151

I agree sarisataka Oct 2021 #154

go along with that 100% stopdiggin Oct 2021 #155

AD also a cowboy meadowlander Oct 2021 #159

Yet, you immediately assume the ACTOR to be at fault. hlthe2b Oct 2021 #169

If you had bothered to read this thread sarisataka Oct 2021 #175

Uhh, huh. I've read your implied statements as well. hlthe2b Oct 2021 #176

Well you have certainly won sarisataka Oct 2021 #177

Nice that you post an image of a body in a thread discussing a horrendous human tragedy... hlthe2b Oct 2021 #183

Woosh... sarisataka Oct 2021 #187

Nothing complicated about your posting an image of a body in a thread about a horrendous death. hlthe2b Oct 2021 #188

I take life and death extremely seriously sarisataka Oct 2021 #194

And to prove it you post an image of a dead body to show your concern for this tragedy... hlthe2b Oct 2021 #195

Apparently your observational skills failed to note sarisataka Oct 2021 #196

and your empathetic sense appears to be missing. This is a human tragedy--not one for exploitation. hlthe2b Oct 2021 #197

If it's so serious sarisataka Oct 2021 #199

You boiled this tragedy down to a reprehensible joking image of a dead body so if that is civil hlthe2b Oct 2021 #201

My thoughts have been consistent sarisataka Oct 2021 #202

Maybe you should've left it at "I don't know how it Is actually done!" Nt USALiberal Oct 2021 #220

Lol nt sarisataka Oct 2021 #231

And Baldwin should have verified Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #224

So you think that he should know how movie guns are loaded?? USALiberal Oct 2021 #93

He should know the safety protocols sarisataka Oct 2021 #96

I doubt the producers also tell the stuntman how to do their work. nt USALiberal Oct 2021 #97

Is the producer would ask the stuntmen how the desired effect sarisataka Oct 2021 #99

Maybe have a person trained on guns to handle the guns instead of the actor. Kaleva Oct 2021 #114

Nobody should handle a gun w/o training. Period. NullTuples Oct 2021 #153

Yes n/t Devil Child Oct 2021 #128

Of course! Happy Hoosier Oct 2021 #225

It's creepy to me. Devil Child Oct 2021 #129

What's creepier is people creating their own realities to claim Baldwin is guilty of something other uponit7771 Oct 2021 #171

Nah, I still think people carrying water for a rich dude who killed a woman and injured another dude Devil Child Oct 2021 #179

Donald Trump Jr. has a t-shirt for you to wear. Paladin Oct 2021 #181

"Negligence with firearms kills" Devil Child Oct 2021 #193

Beats me. Why don't you ask Don Jr.? Paladin Oct 2021 #198

No interest Devil Child Oct 2021 #203

I would defend James Woods and Scott Baio over the same thing obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #185

I would condemn James Woods and Scott Baio over the same thing Devil Child Oct 2021 #192

He is probably suffering from PTSD, he canceled gldstwmn Oct 2021 #221

Go back and read it again sarisataka Oct 2021 #232

I used to work in a job that was a great deal of inspecting and certifying complex... BobTheSubgenius Oct 2021 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author xfile-gg08-0000f5d7 Oct 2021 #108

No winners here, Aussie105 Oct 2021 #111

Why? Kev80 Oct 2021 #113

It's just damn sad. AngryOldDem Oct 2021 #117

He's liable as a producer. RandySF Oct 2021 #119

He was the on set producer and aimed a gun at a person. Kablooie Oct 2021 #121

If The Director Told Him To Do It Deep State Witch Oct 2021 #136

A producer or AD can override the director ... Kablooie Oct 2021 #143

He was not the on set producer. That's the line producer. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #227

I know. But he was A producer on the set. Kablooie Oct 2021 #238

The lesson? kentuck Oct 2021 #122

and how many movie scenes stopdiggin Oct 2021 #144

The assistant director seems to be the guy responsible for leaving an unchecked gun around. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2021 #124

Odd to see this need to circle the wagons around Baldwin Devil Child Oct 2021 #127

Odd to see the assumption that the actor and not the gun professionals to be at fault. hlthe2b Oct 2021 #170

+1, looks like "Baldwin's guilty" FUD going around uponit7771 Oct 2021 #172

Yes, the more information comes out, the more I realize Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #180

Some of the arguments here leave me speechless (like the poster upstream who maintains this hlthe2b Oct 2021 #182

Mostly it seems a litmus test for whether or not someone likes or hates Alec Baldwin. Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #189

Yes. And I can honestly say if it were a RW actor-- like James Woods or other-- I'd feel similarly. hlthe2b Oct 2021 #190

I feel the same. Whether or not you like that actor as a person, they're doing their professional Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #191

I've never been near a real gun, but I know for sure that you NEVER aim at a human being.... LAS14 Oct 2021 #130

I know right inthewind21 Oct 2021 #209

Yes, lots of sympathy for him, but... Joinfortmill Oct 2021 #131

When these movie accidents happen BootinUp Oct 2021 #132

The S**t Has Already Started Deep State Witch Oct 2021 #134

Why was the gun pointed at the cinematographer? nt LAS14 Oct 2021 #137

It wasn't inthewind21 Oct 2021 #210

Oh! Thanks. Do you remember where you saw this? nt LAS14 Oct 2021 #211

In the search warrant, from the director who was shot. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #228

Thanks very much! nt LAS14 Oct 2021 #240

He should be ejected from SAG IbogaProject Oct 2021 #140

What union the armorer wasn't in? LisaL Oct 2021 #142

Not sure but there have been issues all over this year IbogaProject Oct 2021 #163

lol obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #186

Nasty and mean. Pathwalker Oct 2021 #204

Just sad all around. Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #152

Alec's a living victim bound to this tragedy that took a life, and changed Bluethroughu Oct 2021 #162

Everyone who handles a gun should safety check it. Kaleva Oct 2021 #207

I agree, but in his defense, prop guns and the dummy or hollow bullets Bluethroughu Oct 2021 #212

Baldwin the told the revolver was empty. It'd be easy to see if it was or wasn't Kaleva Oct 2021 #213

You are right assistant director shouldn't even handle the gun. Bluethroughu Oct 2021 #214

I also hope that people outside the movie industry learn from this too. Kaleva Oct 2021 #215

Me too. Bluethroughu Oct 2021 #216

A problem for Alec Baldwin is that it may point back to the executive producer: Alec Baldwin. Iggo Oct 2021 #200

There are 11 producers on this film. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #229

Mm-hmm. Iggo Oct 2021 #235

From KOB4: gldstwmn Oct 2021 #236

People die probably every day due to workplace accidents Steelrolled Oct 2021 #226

Let's say Donald Trump knocked a Diet Coke onto the little red button and started WWIII. meadowlander Oct 2021 #230

They say the guy who accidently killed Brandon Lee never got over it. nt Quixote1818 Oct 2021 #233

Good people are often filled with guilt even if it was total mistake JI7 Oct 2021 #237

200th Rec Hekate Oct 2021 #234

200 moments of kindness mahina Oct 2021 #239