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NickB79

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Sat Oct 30, 2021, 09:08 AM Oct 2021

Where the Heck Are We Going to Charge All of the Electric Cars? [View all]

https://slate.com/business/2021/10/electric-vehicle-tesla-charger-curb.html

Ann Arbor is one of many cities confronting a vast challenge as Democrats pin their hopes to reduce U.S. emissions on the rapid, widespread adoption of electric vehicles: How do you get power to people who park on the street? Does electrifying cars mean changing the way we park?

One in three U.S. housing units does not have a garage, according to the 2019 American Housing Survey, and many of those households do not have their own parking spots. As gas stations slowly yield to electric chargers, the ratio of fueling nozzles to vehicles is plummeting, with some studies suggesting we’ll need as many as one charger for every two electric vehicles. The bipartisan infrastructure bill contains $7.5 billion to charge EVs, which President Joe Biden hopes will make up half of U.S. auto sales by 2030, up from around 2 percent today.

Where to charge them? Many cities are experimenting with EV charging at the curb, and extension cords have been spotted hanging from the windows of East Village tenements and Boston triple-deckers. Street parking has long been a lawless affair, and so far, electric vehicle charging at the curb is working much the same way: every driver for him or herself. By and large, experts fear that EV adoption will lag in places where curbside parking is dominant, such as New York City, which despite its liberal voters and enormous wealth counts just 15,000 electrics among its 2 million cars.
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We will discover a way to charge batteries randr Oct 2021 #1
That's not how the laws of thermodynamics work NickB79 Oct 2021 #2
Someone get Charles Redheffer on the phone. ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2021 #3
"Let them build garages," says Elon Musk MineralMan Oct 2021 #4
They will, though. When a supply of used EVs develops. Hortensis Oct 2021 #14
Like all changes, the switch to EVs is going to be slow and painful. MineralMan Oct 2021 #19
So true. Yup. Things are always harder for low-income people, Hortensis Oct 2021 #28
Well, the discussions here about EVs are generally MineralMan Oct 2021 #35
:) Sounds like a down day. Here's another problem to add Hortensis Oct 2021 #43
Globally, there are lots of cheap EVs being manufactured. MineralMan Oct 2021 #45
That sounds like a natural for our next enlightened era. Hortensis Oct 2021 #48
Yes. I think so, too. However low range, low speed EVs MineralMan Oct 2021 #49
We're out in hilly, rural country, and true, our needs would Hortensis Oct 2021 #53
I'm not interested in removing NHTSA safety regulations MichMan Oct 2021 #60
Used will become affordable. Xoan Oct 2021 #46
Not enough EVs have been sold to supply the demand for used EVs. MineralMan Oct 2021 #47
cant they put in outlets along the street? Blues Heron Oct 2021 #5
That's what the article discusses NickB79 Oct 2021 #7
They could, but that will require upgrades to the electrical system. MineralMan Oct 2021 #38
Thanks MM Blues Heron Oct 2021 #54
If your electric car runs out of power walkingman Oct 2021 #6
Hey, can you spare a battery? Mosby Oct 2021 #8
You mean one of these 150s? Liberal In Texas Oct 2021 #9
So Cool!! walkingman Oct 2021 #11
AAA already has portable chargers to help stranded EVs.nt. drray23 Oct 2021 #23
People stuck in traffic for an extended period of time phylny Oct 2021 #63
Discount accrued for MetaG Fitbit steps (if you walk) for the one-time emergency jump Backseat Driver Oct 2021 #18
This is something I never thought of! Diamond_Dog Oct 2021 #10
The extension cord hanging out an apartment window is going jimfields33 Oct 2021 #12
That's what I was thinking! Luciferous Oct 2021 #13
Offset by no gasoline bills. spanone Oct 2021 #31
I'd rather gasoline bills then every Tom dick and Harry using my electricity from jimfields33 Oct 2021 #33
From this article that is really long there is a section at the end CentralMass Oct 2021 #57
the article uses voltage and amperage interchangeably Blues Heron Oct 2021 #15
Look ma, no charger dalton99a Oct 2021 #16
What's it cost to install per mile? NickB79 Oct 2021 #20
Workplace parking is an obvious additional standard location for charging. Hortensis Oct 2021 #17
exactly. restaurants, supermarkets, some of them have it already drray23 Oct 2021 #27
As you say, but I believe it'll become a fairly common incentive, Hortensis Oct 2021 #39
Aren't many people going to continue working from home ? MichMan Oct 2021 #36
I have a Sonata hybrid..... 47 mpg average. 3Hotdogs Oct 2021 #21
That is not true. Plenty of apartment dwellers have long commutes...depending on the area. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #26
Generally speaking, apartment dwellers have shorter commutes Shermann Oct 2021 #22
It is in the infrastructure bill. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author leftyladyfrommo Oct 2021 #25
He is wrong. There are dozens in and around Spokane. drray23 Oct 2021 #30
And then tell Google to plan a route to Atlanta including Hortensis Oct 2021 #41
Here is a link with a few more (54). Still, even 54 is not great. CentralMass Oct 2021 #50
The link you posted shows 135 of them. drray23 Oct 2021 #55
We have a garage space in our building frazzled Oct 2021 #29
That's why I got a hybrid/ev car this time. ananda Oct 2021 #32
Need to focus on very quick charging tech Sapient Donkey Oct 2021 #34
at home scrabblequeen40 Oct 2021 #37
Don't worry, it's coming. Conjuay Oct 2021 #40
We also have three charging venues in my largely rural New York county Rhiannon12866 Oct 2021 #62
You'll need swappable batteries that can only be connected to your car so that the car Beakybird Oct 2021 #42
In New York City I assume they'll just be charged by illegal connections to streetlights. n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #44
The BBB was supposed to have funding for a nationwide network of charging stations Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #51
many apt. buildings have chargers, btw scrabblequeen40 Oct 2021 #52
Having a charger in your garage is just a convenience, not a necessity. gulliver Oct 2021 #56
Once upon a time the U.S.A. embraced these sorts of infrastructure and technology challenges. hunter Oct 2021 #58
+1 llmart Oct 2021 #64
I had a dream I was on a road trip and was running out of gas ColinC Oct 2021 #59
Solar topped parking garages and solar carports are a thing csziggy Oct 2021 #61
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