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18. It would be a mistake to think this

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:33 AM

Nov 2021

It's a mistake to view the election as merely two pools of people who always vote red/blue if they vote and the race is all about who can get that "base" to show up.

Sure... that's always part of it and we probably did lose enough turnout in some areas to swing the race. But the big shift was the number of independents who showed up a year ago to vote against Trump but who this time voted for Youngkin.

My guess is that the swing there was three times as large as the effect of the "base stayed home".

Why it matters - If all we cared about was VA and hey, "a win is a win" then you would be right. If some people of color were a little more energized (say... by passing BBB), then McAuliffe wins in a nail-biter and we all call it a day. But we care about far more than just this race.

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Youngkin won because VA Republicans bought in to a simple stereotype...and so are folks here. [View all] brooklynite Nov 2021 OP

Looks like NJ swung even more, 16 points from last year BeyondGeography Nov 2021 #1

+1, Youngkin ran away from Trump like he stank !! No way GQP is going to do this nationally uponit7771 Nov 2021 #2

I would not put it that way. Youngkin finessed the Trump issue very masterfully. totodeinhere Nov 2021 #45

All fair points Mike 03 Nov 2021 #3

Nailed it Devil Child Nov 2021 #4

Youngkin won because the GOP can make up "issues" like CRT their media ecosystem supports them YessirAtsaFact Nov 2021 #5

Not to mention the GQP influence is fortified in their church services too. IrishAfricanAmerican Nov 2021 #8

More brainwashing YessirAtsaFact Nov 2021 #12

We ignore the church's influence at our own peril. lindysalsagal Nov 2021 #41

Yup Lemon Lyman Nov 2021 #13

Maybe all correct, but our candidate was a governor jimfields33 Nov 2021 #20

CRT had an impact. The exit polls show us as much. Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #6

That was McAuliffe's "macacca moment" YessirAtsaFact Nov 2021 #15

Like you said, McAuliffe's comment in the debate ultimately sank him. bearsfootball516 Nov 2021 #28

Yup and to a lot of people, that's what the CRT debate boils down to. Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #32

Journalist Alec MacGinnis said a big issue was that VA had more extended school closures than in any JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #7

Then why do all repugs stay one block in the Senate. rickyhall Nov 2021 #9

I mean yeah it is because our base stayed home qazplm135 Nov 2021 #10

It would be a mistake to think this FBaggins Nov 2021 #18

lol qazplm135 Nov 2021 #24

Lol indeed FBaggins Nov 2021 #30

one set of numbers is actually data qazplm135 Nov 2021 #35

You can't pull that "actual data" out of your rear end and expect it to smell rosey FBaggins Nov 2021 #37

Takes five seconds on Google qazplm135 Nov 2021 #38

I agree that you have the five second Google version. FBaggins Nov 2021 #40

Post removed Post removed Nov 2021 #42

It was definitely a waste of your time - but that was your fault FBaggins Nov 2021 #43

It became a thing because TM didn't effectively counter it. CRT isn't even taught in K-12 JohnSJ Nov 2021 #11

The spin that it "isn't even taught in K-12" WAS the counter. FBaggins Nov 2021 #19

I don't know why a simple sentence: "Critical Race Theory is not taught in our public schools. It is CTyankee Nov 2021 #21

It was said hundreds of times FBaggins Nov 2021 #22

True means true. CTyankee Nov 2021 #23

It isn't enough to say that true means true FBaggins Nov 2021 #27

Then I believe the Dems need a really good political strategy in view of that fact. CTyankee Nov 2021 #34

I wish that I had an answer for you FBaggins Nov 2021 #36

The propaganda wasn't about it brought up in colleges, but how Democrats want to hire teachers JohnSJ Nov 2021 #25

Are we supposed to turn a blind eye to the truth? wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #14

It isn't a question of denying anything. It is letting them misrepresent things. CRT is an JohnSJ Nov 2021 #31

But OP suggests that we can't address that wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #39

Perhaps the answer lies in reverse engineering the problem EarlG Nov 2021 #16

It seems to me, at least since I was able to vote starting in '92, that the only Carlitos Brigante Nov 2021 #17

Youngkin didn't win the election... Lucid Dreamer Nov 2021 #26

+1 JCMach1 Nov 2021 #29

and he had plenty of time to try and correct it and neglected to do so JohnSJ Nov 2021 #33

It shouldn't come as a surprise that after almost 2 years of parents being the school lindysalsagal Nov 2021 #44