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In reply to the discussion: Virginia Sen. Kaine: "Congressional Democrats hurt Terry McAuliffe" [View all]Celerity
(53,342 posts)71. ruminate away, why get shy now
If only I could just ruminate about you and your motives, but I cant.
Classic malicious innuendo. That deffo is a not-so-veiled smear attempt.
Come on, back it up. You just personally attacked me, at least have the courage of your convictions and lay out your case.
There not a damn thing unclear or untoward about any of my responses to you.
You are trying to imply that a person (in this case me) who has the temerity to disagree with your positings and stances is somehow therefore suspect and likely in possession of some sort of nefarious agenda.
You are not the only one who takes this angle of attack. It is meant to put people who disagree with you on the defensive, to try and force a verbal kowtow, to stifle dissent from what you and a few others think should be the dominant party line.
There is not just two senators holding up Bidens agenda.
That is completely flipping reality on its head. The people who are insisting on not giving up leverage (including Pelosi, Schumer and Biden himself, all who have said so for months now) are doing so because they want BIDEN's version of the BBB passed as intact as is possible.
Manchin and Sinema have already gutted out a cumulative $3.8 trillion (and apparently possibly more given Manchin's new demand vis-à-vis hearing aids today) from the two initial Biden proposals: $2.6 trillion in new spend and tax incentives for the BIF now slashed by almost 80% to just $550 billion by them and the so-called 'moderate' Rethugs they are so fond of insisting need to be catered to, AND his $3.5 trillion BBB Act proposal, which has now been slashed in half, to $1.75 trillion, including entire centrepiece programmes that were are are central to his agenda and campaign promises.
Bottom line
I absolutely believe that if we followed your advice of decoupling on these two bills it will end with a far worse outcome than if we keep them linked.
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Virginia Sen. Kaine: "Congressional Democrats hurt Terry McAuliffe" [View all]
George II
Nov 2021
OP
Others have committed to only vote for both of them together, the logistics of which are....
George II
Nov 2021
#16
The bill that the Senate passed (69-30) was written/sponsored by Rep. Peter DeFazio of the House.
George II
Nov 2021
#24
The BBB is a reconciliation bill, all that other stuff doesn't qualify under reconciliation.
George II
Nov 2021
#29
If you're hinting about two Senators, they've already voted for the infrastructure bill.
George II
Nov 2021
#7
Well, that is likely why we lost Virginia...defeat snatched from the jaws of victory...what a shame.
Demsrule86
Nov 2021
#50
Yes, because after their non-stop game playing, bobbing, weaving, and seemingly non stop
Celerity
Nov 2021
#20
Senators don't vote in the House. And I may be wrong but I've never seen a vote (not even passage)..
George II
Nov 2021
#35
Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer have set them up to be linked for months, but you knew that.
Celerity
Nov 2021
#38
Leverage for what exactly? Nancy wanted a vote and some refused to do it... It might have
Demsrule86
Nov 2021
#51
Agreed with everything you said. The linkage was not crucial, but it was presented
Nixie
Nov 2021
#54
If we remove the leverage and pass the BIF, and then Manchin ends up blocking the BBB or shredding
Celerity
Nov 2021
#58
Is 'adlib' the new word du jour at the clubhouse? You have now led off your last 2 replies to me
Celerity
Nov 2021
#73
Manchin and Sinema both voted for the infrastructure bill so they are not holding that up...I am
Demsrule86
Nov 2021
#52
Then we get nothing because that won't happen. There is a compromise bill that can pass. I suggest
Demsrule86
Nov 2021
#53
I believe had the infrastructure bill passed, McAuliffe might have won. So agree. We need to
Demsrule86
Nov 2021
#48