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Celerity

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73. Is 'adlib' the new word du jour at the clubhouse? You have now led off your last 2 replies to me
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 04:58 AM
Nov 2021

with it or its present participle form (adlibbing).

It doesn't even make semantic sense in terms of the way you are attempting to employ it.


Your post is too rambling to read



Hardly, you just do like being held to account for your personal attack on me, oblique, implied, or otherwise. Your tactics do not work on me, and I understand that you probably do not like that, but that is just the way it is.

I put that false 'rambling' claim up there with another poster's claim (in another thread) that a reply of mine to them was 'evidence free' (LOL) when it had a shedload of thoroughly documented articles, as well as more than a fair amount of original writing from my own end, all arranged in a coherent linear fashion. Furthermore, it contained what must have been 15, 20 (or more) hyperlinks and urls for that very evidence, all backing up and completely buttressing my claims, whilst exposing many of their positings to be either false or groundless, hollow accusations/claims.


Democrats rejected the candidate twice who pushed the social spending


You just cannot help yourself. You and some others so often have to drag Sanders into things, no mater what the subject is, whether it is germane to the discussion or not, all in vain attempts to try to muddy the waters, deflect, and put me (or anyone else debating you) on the defensive. Surely you can also drag in AOC too, for extra bonus points.




the social spending as opposed to the more practical candidates


Erm, that more 'practical candidate's' (Biden) agenda of SOCIAL SPENDING is exactly what the people you are ineffectually trying to have go at are SUPPORTING (and have been for months), as opposed to the 2 obstructionists, who have been doing their level best to vastly reduce and delay for months.

You are the one advocating for putting Biden's agenda in potential serious risk by pushing for just passing the BIF, with no ironclad agreement (let alone a linked final vote) on the BBB.

That then takes away most all of any leverage Biden, Schumer, Pelosi, and most all the rest of the Dem caucus in both chambers have to try and get BIDEN's BBB Act passed.

You know, the Biden BBB proposal that Manchin and Sinema have already taken a 50%, $1.75 trillion cleaver to (and that after also taking an almost 80%, $2.05 trillion hatchet to Biden's initial BIF proposal's new spend/tax incentives).

Have you already forgotten that just back in September Manchin was posturing about needing to take a 'strategic pause' on the BBB until 2022? Now he is demanding further stripping and declaring he has not agreed to anything remotely concrete about the BBB.

If that doesn't scream good faith and trustworthiness nothing does.



Take away most all leverage and watch that Manchin 'strategic pause needed until 2022' posture magically come back to the fore. Also, I would not be at all surprised to see him, at that point, fall back to lowest topline number his $1 to 1.5 trillion 'acceptable' range he laid out earlier.

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There are only two congressional democrats holding up Biden's agenda. TWO SoonerPride Nov 2021 #1
thank you. nt DeeNice Nov 2021 #2
Really cause they both voted for the infrastructure bill cinematicdiversions Nov 2021 #3
Because Manchin and Sinema refuse to commit to voting for BBB... W_HAMILTON Nov 2021 #10
Others have committed to only vote for both of them together, the logistics of which are.... George II Nov 2021 #16
And there is the big problem with our government: Bettie Nov 2021 #60
Because WHITT Nov 2021 #13
Joe Biden is now a "corporate republican"? George II Nov 2021 #18
Except WHITT Nov 2021 #22
The bill that the Senate passed (69-30) was written/sponsored by Rep. Peter DeFazio of the House. George II Nov 2021 #24
Constructing Additional Straw Men WHITT Nov 2021 #27
You can insult me all you want, the case was made a couple of posts back. George II Nov 2021 #28
How Is Pointing Out WHITT Nov 2021 #32
Sorry, but the BIF is an actual bill, so not the straw man. Nixie Nov 2021 #40
"Some" Would Be Wrong WHITT Nov 2021 #41
See, that's the straw man. The actual bill Nixie Nov 2021 #42
You Don't Seem To Comprehend WHITT Nov 2021 #45
Now that's funny since the bill is not the straw man, Nixie Nov 2021 #46
I'm Afraid Not WHITT Nov 2021 #61
The bill is real. Your framing of it belongs to you, so Nixie Nov 2021 #68
Sorry WHITT Nov 2021 #69
Sorry, but the bill is still real, so linking to it is not Nixie Nov 2021 #70
Look the Hudson tunnel that influences 20% of our gdp cinematicdiversions Nov 2021 #19
Then WHITT Nov 2021 #23
The BBB is a reconciliation bill, all that other stuff doesn't qualify under reconciliation. George II Nov 2021 #29
Sure It Does WHITT Nov 2021 #31
So you're persisting in the personal attacks, eh? I.e, "dunce": George II Nov 2021 #33
The Flawed Concept, Not The Person WHITT Nov 2021 #62
Yup. nt DLevine Nov 2021 #5
If you're hinting about two Senators, they've already voted for the infrastructure bill. George II Nov 2021 #7
Thankfully WHITT Nov 2021 #15
Well, that is likely why we lost Virginia...defeat snatched from the jaws of victory...what a shame. Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #50
No WHITT Nov 2021 #63
I agree with you Chille Nov 2021 #79
Yes, because after their non-stop game playing, bobbing, weaving, and seemingly non stop Celerity Nov 2021 #20
Oh, there are more than two obstructionists. Nixie Nov 2021 #34
Senators don't vote in the House. And I may be wrong but I've never seen a vote (not even passage).. George II Nov 2021 #35
Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer have set them up to be linked for months, but you knew that. Celerity Nov 2021 #38
"The linkage is crucial" Nixie Nov 2021 #43
Leverage for what exactly? Nancy wanted a vote and some refused to do it... It might have Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #51
Agreed with everything you said. The linkage was not crucial, but it was presented Nixie Nov 2021 #54
If we remove the leverage and pass the BIF, and then Manchin ends up blocking the BBB or shredding Celerity Nov 2021 #58
You adlib a lot about others, hard pass on that. If only I could Nixie Nov 2021 #67
ruminate away, why get shy now Celerity Nov 2021 #71
More adlibbing. No wonder voters got turned off Nixie Nov 2021 #72
Is 'adlib' the new word du jour at the clubhouse? You have now led off your last 2 replies to me Celerity Nov 2021 #73
... betsuni Nov 2021 #75
It figures you would attack "adlib" and try to fit that into Nixie Nov 2021 #78
+1000 bluewater Nov 2021 #11
+10000000000000000 Celerity Nov 2021 #14
Seems to me that there are two Democrats holding up Biden's progress. bearsfootball516 Nov 2021 #4
2 or 200, the perceptions and judgements garnered are the same Dave says Nov 2021 #8
Manchin and Sinema both voted for the infrastructure bill so they are not holding that up...I am Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #52
I agree with Senator Kaine 100% Dave says Nov 2021 #6
Then make Manchinema take the compromise wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #47
Then we get nothing because that won't happen. There is a compromise bill that can pass. I suggest Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #53
Both bills were agreed on back in June AZProgressive Nov 2021 #56
50/50 inthewind21 Nov 2021 #57
Terry McAuliffe... orwell Nov 2021 #9
McAuliffe WHITT Nov 2021 #17
Turnout was up former9thward Nov 2021 #55
Not Among WHITT Nov 2021 #64
Agreed. n/t MarcA Nov 2021 #36
Spot on Senator Kaine JustAnotherGen Nov 2021 #12
No. Terry was the candidate and he failed to make the case comradebillyboy Nov 2021 #21
Congress should have passed both bills. Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #49
Yes, Congress should have passed both bills. But I don't comradebillyboy Nov 2021 #59
Have to agree that drawn out legislative battles have hurt Democratic candidates andym Nov 2021 #25
K & R we've been witnessing this sideshow for months. Budi Nov 2021 #26
This is exactly right and the image is undeniable. Nixie Nov 2021 #30
He hurt himself. nt Autumn Nov 2021 #37
Disagree strongly. ananda Nov 2021 #39
I agree with Senator Kaine LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 #44
I believe had the infrastructure bill passed, McAuliffe might have won. So agree. We need to Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #48
Disagree. onenote Nov 2021 #65
Nope. budkin Nov 2021 #66
Post removed Post removed Nov 2021 #74
Mancinema. Autumn Nov 2021 #76
So a far right republican defeats a Democrat and you're gloating, claiming a "center right wing".... George II Nov 2021 #77
Well said, George! Cha Nov 2021 #80
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