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In reply to the discussion: Virginia Sen. Kaine: "Congressional Democrats hurt Terry McAuliffe" [View all]Celerity
(53,337 posts)73. Is 'adlib' the new word du jour at the clubhouse? You have now led off your last 2 replies to me
with it or its present participle form (adlibbing).
It doesn't even make semantic sense in terms of the way you are attempting to employ it.
Your post is too rambling to read
Hardly, you just do like being held to account for your personal attack on me, oblique, implied, or otherwise. Your tactics do not work on me, and I understand that you probably do not like that, but that is just the way it is.
I put that false 'rambling' claim up there with another poster's claim (in another thread) that a reply of mine to them was 'evidence free' (LOL) when it had a shedload of thoroughly documented articles, as well as more than a fair amount of original writing from my own end, all arranged in a coherent linear fashion. Furthermore, it contained what must have been 15, 20 (or more) hyperlinks and urls for that very evidence, all backing up and completely buttressing my claims, whilst exposing many of their positings to be either false or groundless, hollow accusations/claims.
Democrats rejected the candidate twice who pushed the social spending
You just cannot help yourself. You and some others so often have to drag Sanders into things, no mater what the subject is, whether it is germane to the discussion or not, all in vain attempts to try to muddy the waters, deflect, and put me (or anyone else debating you) on the defensive. Surely you can also drag in AOC too, for extra bonus points.
the social spending as opposed to the more practical candidates
Erm, that more 'practical candidate's' (Biden) agenda of SOCIAL SPENDING is exactly what the people you are ineffectually trying to have go at are SUPPORTING (and have been for months), as opposed to the 2 obstructionists, who have been doing their level best to vastly reduce and delay for months.
You are the one advocating for putting Biden's agenda in potential serious risk by pushing for just passing the BIF, with no ironclad agreement (let alone a linked final vote) on the BBB.
That then takes away most all of any leverage Biden, Schumer, Pelosi, and most all the rest of the Dem caucus in both chambers have to try and get BIDEN's BBB Act passed.
You know, the Biden BBB proposal that Manchin and Sinema have already taken a 50%, $1.75 trillion cleaver to (and that after also taking an almost 80%, $2.05 trillion hatchet to Biden's initial BIF proposal's new spend/tax incentives).
Have you already forgotten that just back in September Manchin was posturing about needing to take a 'strategic pause' on the BBB until 2022? Now he is demanding further stripping and declaring he has not agreed to anything remotely concrete about the BBB.
If that doesn't scream good faith and trustworthiness nothing does.
Take away most all leverage and watch that Manchin 'strategic pause needed until 2022' posture magically come back to the fore. Also, I would not be at all surprised to see him, at that point, fall back to lowest topline number his $1 to 1.5 trillion 'acceptable' range he laid out earlier.
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Virginia Sen. Kaine: "Congressional Democrats hurt Terry McAuliffe" [View all]
George II
Nov 2021
OP
Others have committed to only vote for both of them together, the logistics of which are....
George II
Nov 2021
#16
The bill that the Senate passed (69-30) was written/sponsored by Rep. Peter DeFazio of the House.
George II
Nov 2021
#24
The BBB is a reconciliation bill, all that other stuff doesn't qualify under reconciliation.
George II
Nov 2021
#29
If you're hinting about two Senators, they've already voted for the infrastructure bill.
George II
Nov 2021
#7
Well, that is likely why we lost Virginia...defeat snatched from the jaws of victory...what a shame.
Demsrule86
Nov 2021
#50
Yes, because after their non-stop game playing, bobbing, weaving, and seemingly non stop
Celerity
Nov 2021
#20
Senators don't vote in the House. And I may be wrong but I've never seen a vote (not even passage)..
George II
Nov 2021
#35
Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer have set them up to be linked for months, but you knew that.
Celerity
Nov 2021
#38
Leverage for what exactly? Nancy wanted a vote and some refused to do it... It might have
Demsrule86
Nov 2021
#51
Agreed with everything you said. The linkage was not crucial, but it was presented
Nixie
Nov 2021
#54
If we remove the leverage and pass the BIF, and then Manchin ends up blocking the BBB or shredding
Celerity
Nov 2021
#58
Is 'adlib' the new word du jour at the clubhouse? You have now led off your last 2 replies to me
Celerity
Nov 2021
#73
Manchin and Sinema both voted for the infrastructure bill so they are not holding that up...I am
Demsrule86
Nov 2021
#52
Then we get nothing because that won't happen. There is a compromise bill that can pass. I suggest
Demsrule86
Nov 2021
#53
I believe had the infrastructure bill passed, McAuliffe might have won. So agree. We need to
Demsrule86
Nov 2021
#48