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69. This vote should have happened sooner.

Sat Nov 6, 2021, 01:59 AM

Nov 2021

We need to look at the long game. This bill should have been law back in September. We would have had some legislation to show to the rest of the country that we could get shit done. But NO, Instead we got the fuckery of our extremes. They squabbled and made us look impotent. if this would have become law then, it could have been used to support those who ran on Tuesday. They could have paraded around and say " Look Democratic members can get some shit done."
Instead we have The squad and Manchin and Sinema Jacking the Presidents agenda and weakening our party.

Listen if we get shit done and pick up 2 in '22 for Senate then we can send the extremes packing, but until then we have to have to bite the bullet and get shit moving.
Biden is slipping because of the extremes are stalling the progress.

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Disappointed in 'The Squad'. [View all] Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 OP

Did Jayapal vote for the bill? I hope she did dsp3000 Nov 2021 #1

Yes. Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #4

I think Pramila Jayapal has a future. She has said the Progressive Caucus is 96 members... Hekate Nov 2021 #21

I really like her. n/t pnwmom Nov 2021 #57

We're so proud of her here in Seattle-land nolabear Nov 2021 #77

Sounds like Dorian Gray Nov 2021 #80

I like her progressive flavor way more than the squads. dsp3000 Nov 2021 #97

Yes, because she thinks long term. JohnSJ Nov 2021 #23

Yes, I've found her to be very reasonable lately PatSeg Nov 2021 #111

Yes. The only Democrats who voted against the bill (and their constituents) are in the OP. George II Nov 2021 #160

Didn't see that coming.... brooklynite Nov 2021 #3

Right?!? Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #6

Maybe let her know it's the "stepping up" part that gets her props. Hortensis Nov 2021 #157

Post removed Post removed Nov 2021 #66

OK. Republicans are now only 99.99992% bad! Nt VarryOn Nov 2021 #5

The bill passed so there's not much disappointment to go around from me In It to Win It Nov 2021 #7

I wish we could show a united front. Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #8

Tell that to Manchin and Sinema Salviati Nov 2021 #20

Tell it to the six that voted no. sheshe2 Nov 2021 #30

These are not the same thing. Orsino Nov 2021 #251

I have made a ton of posts shitting on both of them for that reason. Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #31

But then how often has Manchin voted against the Dems when it counted ? That's the difference, not OnDoutside Nov 2021 #100

They didn't sink it AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #9

Right. I'm ok with their no vote. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #10

I think they will AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #13

That's the problem. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #16

BBB is DOA. Nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2021 #24

There's almost no need to pass BBB wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #34

This vote should have happened sooner. nvme Nov 2021 #69

Exactly wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #71

IF the BBB is completely killed off or is dramatically further slashed even more, there will be a Celerity Nov 2021 #87

I disagree...had we passed it in september or October, we might have won Virginia...it was always a Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #174

and I disagree with you, lol, so nothing new here to see Celerity Nov 2021 #196

215 of 221 Democrats voted for the bill and voted for progress. Who/what is this "extreme wing"... George II Nov 2021 #164

Their followers always always seem to be, and I don't understand. Hortensis Nov 2021 #44

Their base doesn't need infrastructure? mcar Nov 2021 #48

actually no, they largely don't dsc Nov 2021 #115

Removing lead pipes alone is a big, very needed deal karynnj Nov 2021 #122

NYC is getting $9,000,000,000+ for mass transit as well. N/T lapucelle Nov 2021 #261

Everyone needs infrastructure and plenty of folks in New York have cars...and the pot holes are Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #175

"New York To Reap Billions Of Dollars For Mass Transit In "Monumental" Infrastructure Bill" lapucelle Nov 2021 #257

Pelosi can count votes. She let these six vote for their constituents because she knew........ mjvpi Nov 2021 #59

That's my belief. n/t Mister Ed Nov 2021 #88

Everyone was adamant that both bills were going to be passed together MichMan Nov 2021 #90

It is, at the end of the day, a $1.75 trillion roll of the dice. Plus a good chunk of our chances in Celerity Nov 2021 #112

Exactly Deminpenn Nov 2021 #91

While you are correct, this is a horrible reflection on those 6, and an indication that they aren't OnDoutside Nov 2021 #93

+1 betsuni Nov 2021 #94

+ Another. nt Kahuna Nov 2021 #142

+1 Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #177

Their base? George II Nov 2021 #163

Loud angry rose Twitter is their base AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #165

Ah, I see. Yes they played their base in spades. One thing they accomplished is that they gave.... George II Nov 2021 #171

I'm part of their base, and sometimes you have to choose pragmatism... electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #239

LaGuardia airport (one of only two airports in NYC) is located in NY-14 lapucelle Nov 2021 #256

I'll never forget her first significant vote, about a month into the session.... George II Nov 2021 #259

+1 betsuni Nov 2021 #260

+100000000000 This is what Democracy Looks Like. Tommymac Nov 2021 #229

I am one of their base. They're not playing to their base. Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #238

I have to agree here Dorian Gray Nov 2021 #243

She said: "I'm aware that I represent a lot more people than just the folks that live in my pocket betsuni Nov 2021 #244

She was voted into office Dorian Gray Nov 2021 #245

Yes, I don't think fundraising should influence votes. betsuni Nov 2021 #246

If they did so as a protest, knowing the bill could pass without them... Silent3 Nov 2021 #11

That is exactly right. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #17

This Bettie Nov 2021 #116

Agreed, truly disgusting and enraging. Demguy81 Nov 2021 #135

That is very disingenuous and no one said anything close to that... Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #178

Pelosi ignored the informal "Hastert Rule" Calista241 Nov 2021 #121

No she didn't dsc Nov 2021 #143

I agree. nt Hotler Nov 2021 #130

Agreed - nt Ohio Joe Nov 2021 #131

How could they know it would pass without them? Who knew in advance that 13 republicans would..... George II Nov 2021 #176

Thank you to the 13 GOP congresscritters who voted for this bill LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 #12

Thank you Hekate Nov 2021 #27

Yes, let's hand it to the goops wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #36

Those who came-through deserve our gratitude. Those who betrayed President Biden... NurseJackie Nov 2021 #155

I don't give goops any credit wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #158

Lulz. We did it! Time to CELEBRATE, baby! Woo hoo! Yeah! NurseJackie Nov 2021 #173

Sure thing, keep celebrating till the midterms wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #182

Haaa! NurseJackie Nov 2021 #185

The Squad wasn't going to vote for a McTurtle-backed bill wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #194

No... only the ones who supported it actually earned it. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #199

I see we ran out of files in our gif folder wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #200

No. Why did you ask that? NurseJackie Nov 2021 #204

Typo wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #215

🤣😂🤣😂 NurseJackie Nov 2021 #217

Rec this post. Thanks to Pelosi for doing the right thing. Nixie Nov 2021 #38

I have ZERO respect for anyone who voted against this. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #186

Same here. Zero respect, and now we see how shallow the Nixie Nov 2021 #233

+1 betsuni Nov 2021 #242

So liz voted "no"? niyad Nov 2021 #39

I saw a Dave Wasserman tweet that most of the 13 AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #42

Thanks for that.. yeah Cha Nov 2021 #52

Liz Cheney might view Trump as a danger to democracy. Frasier Balzov Nov 2021 #46

THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Nov 2021 #81

And that's ok. OnDoutside Nov 2021 #95

Yes we do owe the brave Republicans a vote of thanks Tomconroy Nov 2021 #72

Exactly PatSeg Nov 2021 #114

I hope you reserve some outrage for the conservative Dems who will kill BBB in two weeks. LonePirate Nov 2021 #14

Post removed Post removed Nov 2021 #28

"Corporate Dems?" mcar Nov 2021 #49

I'm curious too. live love laugh Nov 2021 #56

One moderate Democrat voted against the Biden bill yesterday. lapucelle Nov 2021 #103

Ahh, does that make him a "conservoDem?" mcar Nov 2021 #105

He's to the right of JHosh Gottheimer. lapucelle Nov 2021 #107

Interesting. mcar Nov 2021 #108

But Gottheimer did not vote with Republicans against President Biden's bill lapucelle Nov 2021 #109

Hard to imagine why any Democrat would vote against it mcar Nov 2021 #110

I think it's because some people want Biden to fail. If failure can be arranged... NurseJackie Nov 2021 #225

I well remember the ACA battles mcar Nov 2021 #226

Oh Wow.. who knew? Wonder how Eliot Cha Nov 2021 #170

Is there a website for this diagram/graphic? 👆 electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #240

On The Issues lapucelle Nov 2021 #249

Thank you - I'll take a look... electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #252

Woah! That's one of the most Dense sites I've ever seen! electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #253

This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Nov 2021 #254

Ah, TY, I will try again. 👍 electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #255

Well considering I've spent the last week doing just that... Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #33

many here will not do it, they will (as they almsot always do) hold a meaningless protest vote that Celerity Nov 2021 #84

I think you are wrong.. BBB will pass before Thanksgiving. honest.abe Nov 2021 #92

Not mutually exclusive Mz Pip Nov 2021 #126

If they voted "Against" the bill, they would have killed it. "NV" is not "Nay". Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #15

How so? MichMan Nov 2021 #18

I read the wrong roll call apparently. :/ Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #22

That was this afternoon AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #19

Yup, I read the wrong roll-call. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #25

It bugs me but I understand it AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #29

Exactly. That's why I can't really get worked up about their vote. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #37

The "message" they're sending is one that SHITS on the Democratic party and Biden's agenda. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #181

Post removed Post removed Nov 2021 #189

Nobody is saying that NurseJackie Nov 2021 #198

"My family is hungry" Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #202

Nice try. But still... better than nothing. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #205

I won't argue that. "Something" is better than "Nothing". Barely. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #206

Defending and making excuses for those who vote for and who prefer NOTHING... NurseJackie Nov 2021 #207

Good thing there's no one who prefers "Nothing" other than Manchinima. n/t Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #208

The votes say otherwise. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #211

they don't matter unless they actually block the legislation bigtree Nov 2021 #218

If there were no republican votes or just one republican vote it would have been blocked.... George II Nov 2021 #222

No... they're shitting on the Democratic party and telling voters that the Democrats "failed them". NurseJackie Nov 2021 #223

bull bigtree Nov 2021 #228

Their meaning is clear. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #230

your gifs look intended to ridicule and mock bigtree Nov 2021 #231

I'm laughing too! NurseJackie Nov 2021 #235

What was the point of "protest" votes? What did that accomplish, anything? George II Nov 2021 #237

How did anyone know that anyone else's votes would block the legislation? Until the vote.... George II Nov 2021 #234

"Liberepublicans/Conservadems", "so-called "Democrats" "? Are you insinuating they're NOT Democrats? George II Nov 2021 #201

Yes. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #203

Last night all the left, center-left, center/moderate, center-right, right, and "right-wing" Dems... George II Nov 2021 #216

I wish she would learn to pick her battles Skittles Nov 2021 #26

I doubt they would have let it fail. moondust Nov 2021 #32

I don't know. AOC sounded very angry that it was going to pass. Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #35

Too bad Cha Nov 2021 #41

What did she say? Why angry? betsuni Nov 2021 #43

I think she is afraid that the other bill Tree Lady Nov 2021 #60

Thanks! betsuni Nov 2021 #61

They never had anything to hold over anyone...and both Nancy and Joe knew this in the end. Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #183

The Squad has always wanted to use the BIF as a carrot to get BBB passed. Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #65

Thank you very much. betsuni Nov 2021 #67

AOC is smart and talented, but I think she has wnylib Nov 2021 #75

There is nothing wrong with being in the House...many have made a career out of it... Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #180

I expected it .. so Cha Nov 2021 #40

There was another vote this week where they were the only Nays AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #45

Yep. nt GoCubsGo Nov 2021 #98

Same. nt Kahuna Nov 2021 #161

Agreed mcar Nov 2021 #47

"If it weren't for 13 Republicans..." krkaufman Nov 2021 #50

Twitter pundits predicted this would happen months ago wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #51

I said the exact same thing on here back then too, that the Rethugs best chance to fuck us hard on Celerity Nov 2021 #82

Pretty much gave a gift to the goops wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #83

as someone (you maybe?) pointed out earlier, Dave Wasserman said that the vast majority of the 13 Celerity Nov 2021 #86

They wouldn't have killed the bill SCantiGOP Nov 2021 #53

A few would have voted against it. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #74

I hope that is true. Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #190

If we get something now there will opportunities for more later Kablooie Nov 2021 #54

There was a deal! MN2theMax Nov 2021 #55

K & R Thank You! Knew it would Pass somehow. Budi Nov 2021 #58

This amuses me LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 #62

YES.. THIS! LOL@ Kinzinger! Cha Nov 2021 #64

Adam had fun with MTG LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 #188

Rt TY Yes he is! Thank Cha Nov 2021 #195

There's a big fucking surprise greenjar_01 Nov 2021 #63

we screw ourselves MFM008 Nov 2021 #68

Good job giving those 13 Republicans an opportunity to look good there, Squats. Grokenstein Nov 2021 #70

do people here really not understand the way congressional votes work?? unblock Nov 2021 #73

DING DING DING budkin Nov 2021 #76

Exactly, the Squad had to vote no radius777 Nov 2021 #78

Not quite, it would usually happen to reduce your sides majority. She had no guarantee that those OnDoutside Nov 2021 #101

They can halt the vote to allow time for democrats to switch their votes unblock Nov 2021 #159

It's a very risky strategy in such partisan times, on such a crucial vote. OnDoutside Nov 2021 #166

Note that the final tally was not razor thin unblock Nov 2021 #192

While I agree with you about her, I doubt she had much control over what the "squad" did. OnDoutside Nov 2021 #221

This. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2021 #113

Yup. Agreed Arazi Nov 2021 #120

LBJ was the all-time master of this The Mouth Nov 2021 #129

Of course but the outrage here is all about... jcgoldie Nov 2021 #138

The only one who disappoints me Dorian Gray Nov 2021 #79

Rep. Omar's Statement on the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2021 #85

They'd rather have likes on Twitter and JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #89

Glad for the President, sad about the Squad Champp Nov 2021 #96

To put it in context, these six stood on the same side as MTG, Gohmert, Gosar and McCarthy. Let that OnDoutside Nov 2021 #99

"What's the point having them there?" PatSeg Nov 2021 #124

I agree with you, although I would put it down to ideology, and OnDoutside Nov 2021 #144

Oh my, the thought of Turner in the House is a nightmare PatSeg Nov 2021 #145

100% agree. OnDoutside Nov 2021 #148

I live in 11 Ohio...and I thank God we dodged that bullet. She is awful... and a member and Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #187

Yes, you really did dodge a bullet with her PatSeg Nov 2021 #197

Yes....sad. I am pleased that Katie Porter Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #102

I have ZERO respect for ANYONE who voted against this. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #104

This!!! Peacetrain Nov 2021 #118

Jesus, does she have any idea how legislation works? PatSeg Nov 2021 #119

Shitting on the achievements and accomplishments of Democrats is... NurseJackie Nov 2021 #136

Very well said PatSeg Nov 2021 #141

Good Question! Cha Nov 2021 #167

so you don't know how bills are organized in the House? bigtree Nov 2021 #134

I can't be sure of that. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #151

Exactly, the negative publicity PatSeg Nov 2021 #168

This is the narrative being pushed because some folks WANT the Democrats to fail... NurseJackie Nov 2021 #179

You nailed it in regard to Michael Moore PatSeg Nov 2021 #193

It's hilarious how critics have fallen back on bad 'publicity' as their complaint bigtree Nov 2021 #213

the bill passed, so all of the 'taking a dump' invective is false bigtree Nov 2021 #210

Pure Political Theater! MineralMan Nov 2021 #106

Yes, totally useless PatSeg Nov 2021 #117

Agreed. Totally useless. Owl Nov 2021 #125

Exactly. The real problem, I think, is that MineralMan Nov 2021 #128

Yes, they get so involved in their political posturing, PatSeg Nov 2021 #132

this is the first protest vote you've witnessed? bigtree Nov 2021 #137

We have slim majorities in congress PatSeg Nov 2021 #169

you should know well that no one 'risked' anything last night. Those protest votes were worked out bigtree Nov 2021 #209

Oh, I know what you are saying PatSeg Nov 2021 #224

I'm always non-plussed at public complaints about Democrats bigtree Nov 2021 #227

Sorry, but this has been going on since August, so that's Nixie Nov 2021 #232

Bottom line, they voted against the best interest of their constituents. They are.... George II Nov 2021 #236

"I'm aware that I represent a lot more people than just the folks that live in my pocket betsuni Nov 2021 #241

I'm not. It's politics... Wounded Bear Nov 2021 #123

The "C-Squad"? Generic Brad Nov 2021 #127

What does C refer to in your post? iemanja Nov 2021 #139

"C-squad" definition: Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #147

a sexist insult. iemanja Nov 2021 #149

Not my place to judge that, I'm just a dude who can Google. n/t Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #150

I was on the C squad in boys basketball Generic Brad Nov 2021 #153

You're being falsely accused of sexism in an effort to silence you... NurseJackie Nov 2021 #156

Excuse me iemanja Nov 2021 #212

I think you called it wrong this time, old friend. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #214

I responded to the point about the cheerleading defintion iemanja Nov 2021 #219

Okay. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #220

Did it occur to you that you weren't "In" on the insult? Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Nov 2021 #258

Not the A or B squad Generic Brad Nov 2021 #152

"C-squad" is common slang as an insult. Has been since I was in school in the 90s. n/t Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #154

most progressives voted for the bill bigtree Nov 2021 #133

Sick of them..nt helpisontheway Nov 2021 #140

✔️✔️✔️ msfiddlestix Nov 2021 #146

Yes. 634-5789 Nov 2021 #172

Disappointed. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #184

No one should be surprised Jose Garcia Nov 2021 #191

This bill sucks Sgent Nov 2021 #247

Reserving judgment to see if conservative Democrats will honor their pledge Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2021 #248

As with our own votes at the ballot box... Orsino Nov 2021 #250