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regnaD kciN

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39. And how will they "break items out separately"...

Sat Nov 6, 2021, 02:47 AM

Nov 2021

...when you can only invoke budget reconciliation once per year? Even if you can get Manchin and Sinema on board, where are you going to find ten Republican senators to break a filibuster?

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With BIF passed and no leverage for sinema and manchin to vote for BBB [View all] ColinC Nov 2021 OP

If you believe that (which I don't)... brooklynite Nov 2021 #1

Manchin didn't make his play "weeks ago" leftstreet Nov 2021 #2

Manchin made his play in July. In writing. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #40

it worked enough qazplm135 Nov 2021 #5

We could win....but not if some do what was done in 10 to President Obama and they stay Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #48

Loyalty works both ways qazplm135 Nov 2021 #54

What was going to work? dpibel Nov 2021 #18

You really think there was effective leverage against Sinema and Manchin there? RockRaven Nov 2021 #3

I want to imagine that most Democrats voted for BIF because they have an understanding In It to Win It Nov 2021 #4

I think it's because Sinema has finally qazplm135 Nov 2021 #7

It is dead Bettie Nov 2021 #6

we don't remotely know that yet qazplm135 Nov 2021 #8

BBB is dead. The conservative Dems in the House will now kill it before Manchin/Sinema can. LonePirate Nov 2021 #11

again qazplm135 Nov 2021 #24

I agree. nt. Hotler Nov 2021 #46

I think you are wrong. I believe holding the other bill hostage hurt us in Virginia and hampered Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #49

Not necessarily. Worst case, they'll have to break some items out separately. Hoyt Nov 2021 #9

There is no momentum. BBB is dead. The conservatives Dems & Repubs will now kill it in the House. LonePirate Nov 2021 #13

So it's dead, and none of it will be enacted? Respectfully think you are too pessimistic. Hoyt Nov 2021 #15

None of it will be enacted. Conservs kill it in the House. M/S & filibuster kill things in Senate. LonePirate Nov 2021 #17

I don't think so. Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #50

What has changed that makes you think Bettie Nov 2021 #55

I read somewhere that Jayapal got written assurances AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #20

+1. I'd be surprised, even ticked, if Manchin, etc., reneged on that. Hoyt Nov 2021 #21

The fact that he called for a CBO on the BBB should have been a red flag wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #23

The fact anyone is opposed to a CBO report concerns me when it's been Hoyt Nov 2021 #25

They didn't care about the CBO for the BIF wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #26

Was BIF -- a Bipartisan bill sure to pass unless we screwed it up -- sold as deficit free? Hoyt Nov 2021 #27

That's the point, goops and didn't care if BIF was not revenue neutral wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #29

No, we've passed meaningful legislation, with more to come, in deeply divided country. Hoyt Nov 2021 #31

We passed a bigger relief bill in the beginning of the year wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #33

The chaos created by linking the two bills together, didn't help. Hoyt Nov 2021 #34

Bills should not have been separated in the first place wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #35

Actually, piling a bunch of stuff -- no matter how good -- into one bill was probably Hoyt Nov 2021 #36

+++ JohnSJ Nov 2021 #14

And how will they "break items out separately"... regnaD kciN Nov 2021 #39

Make GOPers vote against child care, etc. It's too easy to vote against a $2 Trillion mishmash. Hoyt Nov 2021 #44

They won't have to vote against it Bettie Nov 2021 #56

OK, let's just sulk. Hoyt Nov 2021 #57

I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised, but I will indeed be suprised if BBB gets anywhere now Silent3 Nov 2021 #10

I am bookmarking this thread to hear what happens if the BBB passes. It may not have some JohnSJ Nov 2021 #12

+1. Something decent will pass. Hoyt Nov 2021 #16

I think so too Hoyt. There are political realities involved that I would hope some would understand JohnSJ Nov 2021 #19

I agree Hoyt. And the infrastructure bill is a good bill and passing a bipartisan bill hasn't been Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #51

"Rest assured," huh? mcar Nov 2021 #22

"...no leverage for sinema and manchin to vote for BBB" myohmy2 Nov 2021 #28

I have said for months...we never had leverage of any sort. Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #52

There wasn't any "leverage" to begin with. gulliver Nov 2021 #30

Exactly Sunsky Nov 2021 #42

I think Pelosi has a better grasp of events SCantiGOP Nov 2021 #32

I am suddenly hearing Og the leprechaun from "Finian's Rainbow". niyad Nov 2021 #37

BBB is DOA budkin Nov 2021 #38

A BBB bill will pass at some point. It will be written in the Senate. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #41

And? 1.75 trillion is pretty substantial. I swear I will be so delighted I may do cartwheels. Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #53

I've never seen so many people so disappointed that a Democratic bill passed - a bill we've been.... George II Nov 2021 #43

Is that you, Debbie Downer? MineralMan Nov 2021 #45

I think it's Debbie's gloomy little brother, Wilfred Werefucked. 11 Bravo Nov 2021 #62

LOL! MineralMan Nov 2021 #63

I trust Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden karynnj Nov 2021 #47

Agree. Dead and deader. Doremus Nov 2021 #58

can't always get what you want RussBLib Nov 2021 #59

Next year we're electing more and better Democrats to Congress FakeNoose Nov 2021 #60

Dealing with a republican house will be even worse of course, but if we can ColinC Nov 2021 #61

FUCK THAT PROGNOSTICATION Shellback Squid Nov 2021 #64

When BBB passes will you post a mea culpa? honest.abe Nov 2021 #65

We'll see JustAnotherGen Nov 2021 #66