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DFW

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54. With all the despair the "no news" has brought so far
Mon Nov 8, 2021, 06:06 PM
Nov 2021

I can understand that the ones (in AZ and China) going through this are being put through an emotional ringer. I guess I bear some of the blame, having tried to use what contacts I had (pretty much Mark and Gabby) to get something in motion.

Not ever having had to walk a mile--or even an inch--in the shoes of someone being put through this, it is not my place to offer judgment. I probably would have packed my bags and left long ago, although the prospect of earning my living by playing my guitar on Chinese streets with my hat out would have probably stopped me cold in my tracks.

The only one ray of hope I can offer at this point is to point out that Mark DID call me early on with a progress report. This now going back over a month, but he had taken the trouble to research the case, with all its ups and downs and mistakes made (inexcusable treatment of the wife in Seattle airport detention being one of them, but not the only one).

If the case had been deemed hopeless, Mark would have called me to tell me that. Of that I am certain. As one who has been called on to jump through the bureaucratic hoops to acquire EU residence with a work permit (to do my US job, no less!), and pay German taxes on top of US taxes just to get NOTHING in return, I have been in the trenches. Nothing like AZLD has gone through, but fighting a government bureaucracy in ANY country bigger than Liechtenstein is an uphill battle where the end of the fight must seem like the peak of Mt. Everest seemed to Edmund Hillary when he started out from the foothills.

But maddening and lonely as it may seem, and it definitely does, and probably will for a while to come, I will not believe that Mark's office has given up until he tells me so, and he will, if it's the case. He is not the kind who gives up easily, and he may be covering his bases for when he has to confront some bureaucrat who tells him, "well, you first should have done this and that," so that he can say, "well, as a matter of fact, we DID do all that, and it led to nothing, so now YOU do something unless you want to see your name in an angry letter on my letterhead to your superiors." I don't know how all this works in this kind of case, but I DO know in general that even when it DOES work out, if it concerns a government, it takes about twenty times as long as it should.

Remember Bill Clinton's comment when he said he found out his foundation could get the same charitable work done using 4% of the available funds for expenses, whereas when he was in office, the government agencies ate up 25% of the funds for expenses. When asked why there was such a difference, he answered, "because we were STUPID, that's why!"

When dealing with the government--especially one full of useless Trump appointees--you are going to run into a lot of indifference and a lot of stupid. I can't blame someone for losing faith or losing hope, and it sure isn't my place to tell someone in AZLD's position to keep on holding on. I have a support system in place in case something like that happens to me. He does not. We can lend a sympathetic ear, but we don't have the power to move the unmovable bureaucratic mountain.

The one thing I would hold on to is that Mark has NOT said he has exhausted his possibilities. If he calls and says that, THEN it's time to give up. The despair is big, and it is powerful, but it only wins when the last line of defense collapses. Until Mark calls and says so, it just hasn't happened--not yet, anyway. "Hurry up and wait" is about the MOST maddening piece of advice anyone can receive. It's what my wife received when she was diagnosed with "the murderer" form of cancer that practically no woman survives. We just were in physical and emotional limbo, and that was for less than a week, and we were both in the same city. The cancer specialist finally announced that he thought she might be that one patient in ten thousand that survived the "murderer," and now, five years later, she still is.

I understand the despair, but I wouldn't give in to it until Mark calls with the bad news..IF he does. If he doesn't, then he hasn't given up. That may be NO comfort. With all the cyclone of work going on in the US Senate at the moment, it should come as no surprise if Mark (and every other Democratic Senator) is concentrating on saving the country first. But that doesn't mean this case has been tossed into some waste bin.

I perfectly understand giving up at this point. But I wouldn't. I know, I know--that's easy for me to say.

But it's the ONLY thing I can say.

That is terrible Meowmee Nov 2021 #1
It's over. AZLD4Candidate Nov 2021 #2
I wish I could help Meowmee Nov 2021 #53
I'm so sorry--even more so that I have no inside knowledge nor connections for you. hlthe2b Nov 2021 #3
Do you know how close I am to completely melting down? AZLD4Candidate Nov 2021 #5
Please focus on hope. Focus on the many you know and will never know who somehow hlthe2b Nov 2021 #7
I'm sorry to hear.this. Haggard Celine Nov 2021 #4
People coming on J1 visas that started after me are here before my wife is here AZLD4Candidate Nov 2021 #6
You're wife is Chinese and living in China, right? Haggard Celine Nov 2021 #8
Because she would lose access to going back and seeing her family AZLD4Candidate Nov 2021 #10
Am I misreading when you say 13 years? She's been there all her life, right? BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #11
I think they meant that they (the OP) had been in China for a total of 13 years nt Celerity Nov 2021 #36
Yes, that makes more sense. nt BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #42
Chin-up! Thinks will get better. Just keep trying. You've got this! 👍 NurseJackie Nov 2021 #9
I see what you did there. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #18
So sorry to read this. Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #12
My uncle tried to use Warner's office to help me, but Warner directed him to Sinema or Kelly AZLD4Candidate Nov 2021 #13
Lashing out at those who displayed kindness to do work on your behalf Devil Child Nov 2021 #14
Thank you for your opinion. Walk a mile in the shoes I've walked in for 18 months AZLD4Candidate Nov 2021 #15
Sorry Dude, I agree with Devil Child. Don't trash Democrats who are good people. Tommymac Nov 2021 #21
This. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #23
When it separates your family, please let me know how you react, then teach me. AZLD4Candidate Nov 2021 #26
You're correct. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #16
Yeah, I agree obamanut2012 Nov 2021 #52
I take it that moving to China is out of the question? AJT Nov 2021 #17
No, it's not. It's what I need to do. I have property there and a valid, easily renewed visa AZLD4Candidate Nov 2021 #30
I'm so sorry if it comes to that. AJT Nov 2021 #41
:) And you have a plan. Good. The second quarantine especially Hortensis Nov 2021 #55
So sorry the government is so fucked, and the world is so fucked right now. lark Nov 2021 #19
This is all at the feet of Trump and his anti-Chinese, xenophobic "extreme vetting" nonsense AZLD4Candidate Nov 2021 #31
I take it you are going back to China then? If you do, is there a way to Wingus Dingus Nov 2021 #20
I'm not divorcing my wife to start this over again. Going back means I never do anything like this AZLD4Candidate Nov 2021 #32
Well, I didn't necessarily mean divorce, I meant just try to track down where it went wrong Wingus Dingus Nov 2021 #39
That's a very logical and reasonable suggestion. Others have offered similar advice. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #46
If it means success, why not? NurseJackie Nov 2021 #45
I am very sorry, sir. shrike3 Nov 2021 #22
The OP invites it with the interwoven undeserved bashing of Sen. Kelly. Devil Child Nov 2021 #24
"Sen. Kelley did not "fail" the OP." --- Absolutely right. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #25
And stomping on him while he has difficulties is helpful how? shrike3 Nov 2021 #35
Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #38
People have been kind of stomping on him, IMO shrike3 Nov 2021 #40
Nobody is doing that. But what you are seeing is a bit of push-back. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #43
Very well stated, Jackie. Kindly, as well. nt Hekate Nov 2021 #56
Again, when this happens to you family, tell me how you react, then teach me your ways AZLD4Candidate Nov 2021 #27
There were many good suggestions in your last thread. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #28
One post on one website is going to doom Democrats? shrike3 Nov 2021 #34
Where did I say anything about "dooming" Democrats? BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #48
Um -- what difference does it make? shrike3 Nov 2021 #33
I've noticed that's the American way AZLD4Candidate Nov 2021 #29
Sir, I realize you were venting; maybe others didn't get that. shrike3 Nov 2021 #37
Good post. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #44
Thank you MustLoveBeagles Nov 2021 #51
There is a backlog of 469,000 visa applications. George II Nov 2021 #47
Under US State guidelines, IR Immigrant Visas for American's spouses are pushed to the front of the AZLD4Candidate Nov 2021 #49
But they don't see your marriage as being legitimate or valid. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #50
With all the despair the "no news" has brought so far DFW Nov 2021 #54
DFW, you are a good egg... Hekate Nov 2021 #57
Thank you so much for these details! renate Nov 2021 #59
It has always been difficult to bring spouses to the US JI7 Nov 2021 #58
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