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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
85. Think of it this way
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 11:28 PM
Nov 2021

The onus of proof is on the prosecution.

If the jury can’t decide, then the failure belongs to the prosecution, not the defense.

The defense has the favor going in, innocent unless proven guilty.

The burden is ALWAYS on the prosecution.

People here lose their shit over a simple fucking statement. FAVOR doesn’t mean the defense will prevail. It means they have the odds in their favor.

If the prosecution proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt and it was crystal clear, the jury would come back right away.

Clearly, that isn’t the case here.

That doesn’t mean the defendant won’t be found guilty. It just means the odds are in his favor.

For fuck’s sakes people.

Hope so... dixiechiken1 Nov 2021 #1
Could the lesser charges be reason for the longer session? olegramps Nov 2021 #49
Lengthy deliberations favor the defendant berni_mccoy Nov 2021 #2
Link? Goodheart Nov 2021 #5
It's common knowledge my friend berni_mccoy Nov 2021 #12
I don't believe that. BlueLucy Nov 2021 #28
There's no substantial evidence either way. Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #34
The past criminal homegirl Nov 2021 #63
What would she be charged with? sarisataka Nov 2021 #66
Giving homegirl Nov 2021 #104
You apparently don't realize that isn't true sarisataka Nov 2021 #105
Think of it this way berni_mccoy Nov 2021 #85
No way to think of it. Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #93
Then it should be really easy for you to post a link! Nt USALiberal Nov 2021 #82
Hung up on proving shit berni_mccoy Nov 2021 #84
Damn..... a kennedy Nov 2021 #6
Cite your source. W_HAMILTON Nov 2021 #16
While that's the maxim... regnaD kciN Nov 2021 #17
Fingers crossed for GUILTYs of murders of Rosenbaum and Huber. Also hoping for GUILTY for iluvtennis Nov 2021 #31
I agree. TexasTowelie Nov 2021 #33
So do I. calimary Nov 2021 #77
I think it's quite the opposite. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2021 #21
I Was On A Jury In March 2020 ProfessorGAC Nov 2021 #39
Do you mean prosecution? Celerity Nov 2021 #50
I Did, Yes! ProfessorGAC Nov 2021 #55
Conventional wisdom leans to the opposite, but time will tell in this case. paleotn Nov 2021 #22
Not in my 25 years of criminal defense trial work Ponietz Nov 2021 #52
+1, the opposite sounds like people looking through evidence uponit7771 Nov 2021 #53
Yeah I got lots of lawyers in the fam berni_mccoy Nov 2021 #86
It is a nerve wracking situation be on trial facing a long prison sentence. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #3
I hope you're right. Lunabell Nov 2021 #4
What mom and dad instigated this crime? BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #9
How are the parents involved in this again? Sympthsical Nov 2021 #10
who are the person(s) DENVERPOPS Nov 2021 #27
Gun Was Bought With His Money ProfessorGAC Nov 2021 #42
I read here yesterday that Kyle got the money for the gun Haggard Celine Nov 2021 #48
Which might be more time than KR gets localroger Nov 2021 #75
Ain't that something? Haggard Celine Nov 2021 #76
Really hasn't been that long. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #7
Guilty! Goodheart Nov 2021 #8
Well, I agree. He obviously murdered two people. Period. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #13
I meant I'm guilty of what you charged me with. Goodheart Nov 2021 #15
Lol, sorry, outside doing battle with autumn leaves. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #18
So do I! And rather fervently, too. calimary Nov 2021 #62
I think he's in for a bad time, even if acquitted. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #67
You really think that? Or will he be walking the halls of Congress... SMC22307 Nov 2021 #78
I really doubt it. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #95
Evidently #RollerNazi Madison Cawthorn made the same offer. SMC22307 Nov 2021 #110
He should be SoCalNative Nov 2021 #11
On what charges? forthemiddle Nov 2021 #30
Well, for starters SoCalNative Nov 2021 #36
Wrong on both counts forthemiddle Nov 2021 #43
We'll just wait and see SoCalNative Nov 2021 #45
No, these are established facts. There is no "wait and see" for established facts. Sympthsical Nov 2021 #79
No He Didn't ProfessorGAC Nov 2021 #46
The myth that won't die. TwilightZone Nov 2021 #56
False manicdem Nov 2021 #71
He never crossed a state line with a firearm. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #96
The firearm was waiting for him when he arrived in WI Polybius Nov 2021 #108
He was declared innocent last week I noticed. Kingofalldems Nov 2021 #14
IMO: It's either a hung jury or at least one or more guilty verdicts Scottie Mom Nov 2021 #19
You wanted guilty on the charge of shooting Gaige Grosskreutz? Polybius Nov 2021 #109
He'll be fine either way. jaysunb Nov 2021 #20
And Gaetz wants to hire him as an aide. He's a golden child; "my president" one RWNJ cable news Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author IowaGuy Nov 2021 #26
😆 🤣 nt jaysunb Nov 2021 #60
Classy. nt BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #100
Upon some reflection, your sarcasm towards my unthinking post was well deserved - self deleting. IowaGuy Dec 2021 #111
😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣 Traildogbob Nov 2021 #29
No, he has NOT been hired by anyone. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #99
Sarcasm🤨 Traildogbob Nov 2021 #102
Mark Who?!? modrepub Nov 2021 #41
anally raped for years doesn't sound 'fine' but hey, that's just me Celerity Nov 2021 #51
That's just me too. nt reACTIONary Nov 2021 #74
Or his front teeth busted out. MerryBlooms Nov 2021 #87
Agreed on all points MustLoveBeagles Nov 2021 #89
I think you are replying to the wrong person, I made no prison rape joke Celerity Nov 2021 #90
I'm agreeing with you. MerryBlooms Nov 2021 #91
oh, sorry, I misunderstood! Celerity Nov 2021 #92
Certain people here really love the concept of prison rape. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #98
I'm surprised it's taken this long sarisataka Nov 2021 #65
Where do I or any one else say they approve. jaysunb Nov 2021 #69
Uh-huh, sure sarisataka Nov 2021 #72
You need to educate yourself on MerryBlooms Nov 2021 #88
You seriously don't think women behind bars are subjected to violence?! yardwork Nov 2021 #103
Are you for real? BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #97
Maybe he got a secret unsigned note from the judge DFW Nov 2021 #23
LOL! You never know. I hope not. LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #37
I just saw a few brief clips of that judge speaking from the bench DFW Nov 2021 #44
Yes and the judge is probably thinking I thought I fixed it really good it should have been over Tribetime Nov 2021 #80
There could be a Nullifier on the Jury who refuses to convict, no matter what. maxsolomon Nov 2021 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author rainin Nov 2021 #32
I'm sure he's getting nervous--- it's fine to make a thread on this! LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #35
I was Rec 37. Seems others think this DID deserve its own thread. Stinky The Clown Nov 2021 #38
There's doubt in someone's mind about something bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #40
If he's convicted geardaddy Nov 2021 #47
The next right wing d-bags running for the republican Governor primary will probably be falling... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2021 #83
Bad feeling about this aeromanKC Nov 2021 #54
I do hope so. Joinfortmill Nov 2021 #57
If you cut through the politics around this case . . . Aussie105 Nov 2021 #58
Did humans lose the ability to connect the dots or... Brainfodder Nov 2021 #59
Sometimes jury questions give you a hint as to what is Tomconroy Nov 2021 #61
The fact they are out this long suggests the holdouts are pro acquittal DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2021 #64
The holdouts will be wingnut heroes with many TV appearances Goodheart Nov 2021 #73
I'm guessing a 'hung jury' left-of-center2012 Nov 2021 #68
That's what I thought last week this week I think he's going to be convicted Tribetime Nov 2021 #81
Yes it did orangecrush Nov 2021 #70
🤞🏽🤞🏽🤞🏽 live love laugh Nov 2021 #94
He should have started shitting his pants when the Prosecution delivered GoodRaisin Nov 2021 #101
No n/t Devil Child Nov 2021 #106
I'm sure he will look back at those 3 days fescuerescue Nov 2021 #107
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