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cinematicdiversions

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Mon Nov 22, 2021, 01:02 PM Nov 2021

So in reality where are we when in comes to incarceration and justice. [View all]

I see constant promotion of ending cash bail, alternatives to the police and alternatives to incarceration. These are major think planks and policies of our party. They are promoted through books, speeches and the more progressive members of congress. They are celebrated here at DU with passionate screeds.

Then one of these misunderstood criminals does something criminal on tape and all of a sudden it is death penalty this, where were the police that and why was he out on bail?

So which is it. Do we get rid of cash bail, incarceration and defund the police. Or do we allow emotion to get in the way of social justice?

I am not saying which is the right answer, but it would be helpful if there was some sort of consistency. We can't cry racial justice one minute and shoot the shoplifters or no bail for someone beating his girlfriend nearly to death the next minute.

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Not in a good place. ananda Nov 2021 #1
Middle ground janterry Nov 2021 #2
We should speed up the courts Klaralven Nov 2021 #3
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions Torchlight Nov 2021 #4
Great post. Thanks for the Wilde quote. I'm certain to remember & use that for years to come . . . Journeyman Nov 2021 #6
A backlash against many of those policies is beginning ripcord Nov 2021 #5
This TheRealNorth Nov 2021 #9
I have family in New York thatdemguy Nov 2021 #7
Generally the federal system avoids cash bail. They evaluate Tomconroy Nov 2021 #8
Emily Bazelon has a great piece in the NYT Magazine Thunderbeast Nov 2021 #10
But I worry that there may be factors that are not accounted for in a statistical model TheRealNorth Nov 2021 #11
The problem is that people react with their emotions. Caliman73 Nov 2021 #12
The problem is that these changes were sold to the public as a way to reduce crime ripcord Nov 2021 #13
There have been no real changes. Caliman73 Nov 2021 #15
This becomes a true communism has never been tried exercise. cinematicdiversions Nov 2021 #19
It only becomes that conversation if you frame it that way. Caliman73 Nov 2021 #21
Housing prices in plaes like the Upper East side are soft as a direct result of policies like cinematicdiversions Nov 2021 #14
Upper East side of what? What is the specific policy? Caliman73 Nov 2021 #16
NYC. cinematicdiversions Nov 2021 #18
bail needs to start low for first offense and/or minor offenses - and escalate quickly Amishman Nov 2021 #17
We need to decide if the criminal or the victim is more important ripcord Nov 2021 #20
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