So in reality where are we when in comes to incarceration and justice.

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21. It only becomes that conversation if you frame it that way.

I remember the crack epidemic and gang violence in the 80's and 90's, too. Crime, despite a recent spike, has been trending down decade after decade.

There are still criminals who are pathological, but most crime is crime of desperation.

Why would we ignore ANY of it. Social welfare programs can help the majority of people who need jobs, housing, etc.. and the police can focus on "those amoral few that prey on society".

When the police budget of each city is 10 to 15 times larger than any type of prevention programs or any programs that address the root causes that facilitate crime, you aren't trying to stop crime, you are just reacting to it.

There is a place for police in society but if all you have is a hammer, then all the problems become nails.