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Kablooie

(19,103 posts)
Sun Nov 28, 2021, 06:10 PM Nov 2021

By now Trump should have been constitutionally banned from any government office. [View all]

The 14th amendment says that after taking an oath, no one shall hold any US or state office if they "have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the US, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

It is obvious that Trump did all of these things but there doesn't seem to be any way to apply the 14th.

Who judges whether he did these things?
The Congress? The president? SCOTUS? The Constitution doesn't say.

Sure Congress is investigating but it moves so slowly and it's power is limited so it's unlikely that we will get any decisions before the next election. Even if they reached a conclusion it would be contested by Republicans and the above problem of who decides would be argued interminably.
It would probably fall to SCOTUS ultimately and the Trump court would certainly declare him not guilty.

No there doesn't seem any way to apply the 14th to a president.
(Unless both houses were Republican and the president was a Democrat. He would probably be banned within a few months, evidence be damned.)

We have some real weaknesses in our governmental systems and Trump has been able to exploit all of them. As a result the future of our democracy and probably the country itself is balancing on the point of a pin.

If we survive 2024 and are not forced to live under a Trump dictatorship I hope someone will find ways to plug these gaping loopholes in our system. Our checks and balances are not checking and balancing as they were supposed to do.

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"Who judges whether he did these things?" Zeitghost Nov 2021 #1
How about Busterscruggs Nov 2021 #22
There is no legal mechanism for that. Zeitghost Nov 2021 #23
Have we ever had a former oval office Busterscruggs Nov 2021 #25
No Zeitghost Nov 2021 #26
What solutions Busterscruggs Nov 2021 #28
For banning someone from office? Zeitghost Nov 2021 #29
Does the constitution say "if Kablooie thinks he's guilty of insurrection"? FBaggins Nov 2021 #2
30 state houses are majority republicans. onecaliberal Nov 2021 #8
OMG, 30? ShazzieB Nov 2021 #16
Yes. onecaliberal Nov 2021 #17
State Legislatures Zeitghost Nov 2021 #24
Do you know who DOESN'T judge whether he did these things? brooklynite Nov 2021 #3
Let's face it, if roughly half of voters elect someone Hoyt Nov 2021 #4
I still think he will face consequences one way or another malaise Nov 2021 #5
My continued wish is business failure over jail. oldsoftie Nov 2021 #13
I get your point but I want him in prison malaise Nov 2021 #21
The real problem is the justice system in general. Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #6
I was just reading an interview of Mel Brooks, and there is a quote of his that explains all these.. Escurumbele Nov 2021 #7
Yes 1000 times!!! nt oldsoftie Nov 2021 #14
Mostly agree, withp one small quibble. ShazzieB Nov 2021 #20
I'm still hoping for a 48656c6c6f20 Nov 2021 #9
I really do hate felling that way but its noww in the back of my mind. nt oldsoftie Nov 2021 #15
14th is a broad amendment bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #10
Bull !!!!!!!!! DENVERPOPS Nov 2021 #11
seems like a fitting end to the " TFG " ! monkeyman1 Nov 2021 #12
with the amount of death and destruction the flushed turd caused he should be banned from yaesu Nov 2021 #18
Democrats in Congress missed another chance, too. NullTuples Nov 2021 #19
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ msfiddlestix Nov 2021 #27
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