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meadowlander

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17. Genetics aren't the only thing that determine secondary sex characteristics.

Tue Dec 7, 2021, 11:16 PM

Dec 2021

Taking hormones, especially before puberty, and gender reassignment surgery fundamentally rewires your system.

Also you can be born with XX or XY genetics but can have a mutation that makes you immune to the hormones that would make you develop the secondary sex characteristics of the sex your genetics say you have. Or your sex glands may not develop for some other reason.

https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/

https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/swyer-syndrome/

Honestly, I think all sports are a bit silly and boring so not really bothered who gets to play on which sports ball team based on which bits they have but I do think that people should have the right to define their own gender and to have that be recognised and respected.

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Would it have been an astounding performance if Michael Phelps did it? milestogo Dec 2021 #2

Life isn't easy. We have to adapt to differences. jimfields33 Dec 2021 #3

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XX vs XY doesnt work as well as you might think. SYFROYH Dec 2021 #5

+1. it ain't as simple as all that. stopdiggin Dec 2021 #9

Xx or xy would be fair questionseverything Dec 2021 #6

Women competing against women is fair. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #7

Have you ever competed against a woman in a sport? Casady1 Dec 2021 #11

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They are trying to bait you. LiberatedUSA Dec 2021 #14

If you were Casady1 Dec 2021 #27

So the woman born a woman gets to be second class? questionseverything Dec 2021 #54

Because if you had Casady1 Dec 2021 #16

Yes, one player can certainly dominate another, no matter what gender either one is. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #29

Name a single sport Casady1 Dec 2021 #37

Why? We're talking about women competing against women, and men competing against men. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #39

Olympic level women could kick all of our asses iemanja Dec 2021 #34

at the professional level Casady1 Dec 2021 #42

It's an interesting exercise kwolf68 Dec 2021 #8

Have you ever competed against a woman in a sport? Casady1 Dec 2021 #10

Genetics aren't the only thing that determine secondary sex characteristics. meadowlander Dec 2021 #17

You obviously never competed Casady1 Dec 2021 #28

I did actually. I was even a referee for awhile. meadowlander Dec 2021 #44

Oh Brother Casady1 Dec 2021 #46

The point is meadowlander Dec 2021 #57

Sports are not fair. PurgedVoter Dec 2021 #12

How many short people play basketball? Casady1 Dec 2021 #20

If you get out and play on a local court you may meet some. PurgedVoter Dec 2021 #40

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I don't know the answer to the question I posed. Lucid Dreamer Dec 2021 #15

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Not even Casady1 Dec 2021 #30

in most sports, unfortunately iemanja Dec 2021 #25

not most all Casady1 Dec 2021 #38

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C'mon Casady1 Dec 2021 #23

what about a "class 1 and class 2" system? Takket Dec 2021 #26

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