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AngryOldDem

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20. Here is the main takeaway.

Tue Dec 14, 2021, 06:22 PM

Dec 2021

The party really doesn’t seem interested in the concerns of younger voters. This decision drives it home. I admit that I’m disappointed in Biden over this, too. It’s like he promised it as a sop to Sanders and Warren, and then he reneged on it.

Young adults ARE paying attention, because thanks largely to student loan debt, they can’t get any kind of economic and societal foothold postcollege.

The party ignores them at its peril.

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Trump paused student loan payments while Biden restarted them [View all] wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 OP

It's accurate. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2021 #1

He ran on this? mcar Dec 2021 #2

Yes wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #6

So it's been sent to his desk as a law mcar Dec 2021 #18

Is that you, Jen Psaki? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #22

No, he can't. Tommymac Dec 2021 #47

+1 (last two sentences get extra +1) betsuni Dec 2021 #50

Your snark notwithstanding... Orrex Dec 2021 #58

Absolutely this. And to pretend otherwise with blind support is self immolation. nt Doremus Dec 2021 #60

1,000,000+++ FlyingPiggy Dec 2021 #142

Your statement is accurate. CentralMass Dec 2021 #3

Biden's approval with The Youngs are now at Obama midterm territory wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #4

The age range for millennials is 25 to 40 Revanchist Dec 2021 #8

Source is at the bottom of the chart wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #9

Post removed Post removed Dec 2021 #23

Walk me through how he has the power? mahina Dec 2021 #5

Ask Chuck Schumer wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #7

+1 Celerity Dec 2021 #37

My son absolutely loathes Biden for this. AngryOldDem Dec 2021 #10

I share his frustrations wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #11

Does he not qualify for any of the income-based repayment plans? W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #13

Enlighten us about the income-based plans wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #15

With that sort of attitude, you can (and really should) enlighten yourself. W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #19

You still accrue interest and you're stuck with a larger tax bill wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #27

It's not a half-measure. W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #30

Also, if you get married, your payment goes up wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #32

Yep The Revolution Dec 2021 #103

Income-based repayment plans assume a 5% raise in income every year. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #17

That's false. W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #24

On the StudentAid.gov website, if you're trying to calculate what your IDR will be, the estimate WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #36

That is just to estimate what your payment plan would look like. W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #130

The IBR plans are a double edged sword. Xolodno Dec 2021 #48

I think my son feels the same way about Biden helpisontheway Dec 2021 #25

Most politicians worry about getting elected Polybius Dec 2021 #65

My son feels the same way! He's always been a liberal democrat but sees this as a betrayal liberal_mama Dec 2021 #35

This is a huge problem that we must acknowledge is real Polybius Dec 2021 #64

It just shows how fickle everyone is. W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #12

Here's what will happen: wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #14

There is no reason whatsoever to believe that it will win them over. W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #26

So you're ignoring how young voters put Biden into office? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #29

Biden has done lots already for them and others. W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #31

Most will only remember the $1400 check wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #33

Then they're fucking stupid. W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #132

Your link defines young voters as 18-29. AncientAndy Dec 2021 #40

Means testing doesn't win you votes wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #42

Neither would unfair benefits. AncientAndy Dec 2021 #44

Win more election, cancel more debt wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #45

That doesn't make a lot sense. AncientAndy Dec 2021 #51

Sounds like fishing for an excuse to do nothing wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #52

How does that sound like an excuse to do nothing? AncientAndy Dec 2021 #55

It's being used as a populist purity test, like Medicare for All was. betsuni Dec 2021 #61

At this point we won't even get the public option wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #62

"Thanks to the slavish insistence on adopting the fetal position"? betsuni Dec 2021 #69

There's the Do Something Caucus wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #71

Who are the Do Something Caucus? Ninety-nine point something percent of the Democratic Party? betsuni Dec 2021 #73

The Squad was right to vote down the infrastructure bill wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #87

"as we can see before us" betsuni Dec 2021 #88

I know following the news is hard wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #91

WHATABOUT betsuni Dec 2021 #92

I know this is amusing and all wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #95

What's "this"? betsuni Dec 2021 #97

Like Build Back Better wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #98

We've really got to stop meeting like this. betsuni Dec 2021 #100

We really have to take things seriously wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #101

FYI wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #109

Exactly. Thank God for Pelosi getting infrastructure passed Nixie Dec 2021 #107

As always, it's a half measure wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #63

As always, it's a blame Democrats. betsuni Dec 2021 #78

If Democrats lose in the midterm, whom will we blame? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #85

"we"? betsuni Dec 2021 #89

Yes, as in we, the Democrats. wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #93

LOL betsuni Dec 2021 #94

Guess I'll take that as a "yes" wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #96

Well, since our relationship has gone this far and if that's a proposal, the answer is no. betsuni Dec 2021 #99

Wow, that went in a weird direction wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #102

I thought we had something special. You paused our relationship, that's how people betsuni Dec 2021 #104

I'm guessing this response made sense when it was originally workshopped wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #105

mulling? betsuni Dec 2021 #106

No, "muling" wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #110

Here is the main takeaway. AngryOldDem Dec 2021 #20

Shame on you for saying that. W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #28

I stand by my comment. AngryOldDem Dec 2021 #34

+1. Not a winner for my Libertarian son w/big college debt. GPV Dec 2021 #38

This "be patient and wait" BS is insulting and condescending. AngryOldDem Dec 2021 #39

You can't. Appeasing righties at the expense of our young. Stupid. GPV Dec 2021 #41

He is Libertarian and he wants the Govt to erase his Debt ? JI7 Dec 2021 #68

Hilarious and sad. betsuni Dec 2021 #70

Yes and people will make excuses for them voting Republican JI7 Dec 2021 #80

Yes, college-educated but Trump totally, like, paused student loan payments because he cared betsuni Dec 2021 #84

The costs shouldn't have been so high in the first place. He's not against debt, but thinks GPV Dec 2021 #77

Why doesn't he care about women's right to chose and voting rights ? JI7 Dec 2021 #79

He's on the spectrum. He GPV Dec 2021 #90

That is some hard truth there. We older Dems are loyal to the party because they did things Autumn Dec 2021 #129

It's not fickleness. It's the simple fact that young people are realizing they are fucked Autumn Dec 2021 #117

LOL, it's not a Republican talking point. W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #131

Well if it's not a Republican talking point, it's an "I got mine so fuck you" thing. Just as bad. Autumn Dec 2021 #133

No, it's absolutely not. W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #134

Do you know any young voters? nt Autumn Dec 2021 #135

Yes. W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #137

I'm thinking you don't, you want to be nasty and make assumptions about me I throw that Autumn Dec 2021 #138

We are all facing problems. W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #139

I agree getting more Republicans in public office won't fix the problem. So Democratic leadership Autumn Dec 2021 #140

This is going to hurt the economy, and Democrats' chances. It's really misguided. Debt relief is WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #16

That is my son's argument in a nutshell. AngryOldDem Dec 2021 #21

This article analyzes this complicated issue liberalmediaaddict Dec 2021 #43

Cancel the debt by executive order wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #46

So you don't actually care if the debt is cancelled? iemanja Dec 2021 #53

Don't take my word for it. Ask Chuck Schumer wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #66

Yes might as well try it mvd Dec 2021 #72

If they could pass a bill over the summer... Xolodno Dec 2021 #49

How about voting rights first? iemanja Dec 2021 #54

I'd like to hear how this would get past Manchin and Sinema and other Republicans Orrex Dec 2021 #56

We better take care of this now or we will truly get clobbered next November budkin Dec 2021 #57

And why should they still be suspended? TheFarseer Dec 2021 #59

Because INFLAAAATION wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #67

Inflation should actually help theoretically TheFarseer Dec 2021 #83

Okay, ignore the higher expenses and the decreasing affordability wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #86

Correct, inflation is good in the long run for people in debt madville Dec 2021 #136

Because their debt outpaces their wages in most cases? AngryOldDem Dec 2021 #74

I agree that we have a student loan problem TheFarseer Dec 2021 #82

Do young people care about climate change? mahina Dec 2021 #75

"hyped on Reddit and polished up to reduce complex reality to yet another grift. " JI7 Dec 2021 #81

Do old people? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2021 #114

I know so many who do and trust that young people are not so mahina Dec 2021 #119

Maybe trusting the next generation to pull us out of the hole we dug isn't really fair to them. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2021 #120

Clearly it's all hands and generations in deck mahina Dec 2021 #121

And just like that, insulting Democrats as wealthy over-educated coastal elites who don't care betsuni Dec 2021 #76

Sometimes, I think there are folks pretending to be on our side MineralMan Dec 2021 #108

Today is really not a good day to engage in contrived pieties against the "spiteful" wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #111

Yeah, OK, whatever. There is no good or bad day for the truth. MineralMan Dec 2021 #115

I started several threads on how to deal with Manchin wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #116

It's the belief others should bail you out because of your poor life decisions. BannonsLiver Dec 2021 #122

Well, I wouldn't go that far. MineralMan Dec 2021 #124

Agree on the selling of college BannonsLiver Dec 2021 #125

The problem is that most people have no concept of MineralMan Dec 2021 #126

Educational costs should not be as high especially in a supposedly egalitarian society PufPuf23 Dec 2021 #127

Not sure who is advising him on this Thrill Dec 2021 #112

Simple things are difficult, apparently wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #113

You'll lose the young people for far much longer than the midterms. AngryOldDem Dec 2021 #118

Life's a bitch sometimes. BannonsLiver Dec 2021 #123

To whom are you directing the well wishes wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #128

I'm just not with this student loan forgiveness proposal. alcuno Dec 2021 #141