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89. It is an almost all-powrful leadership position

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:17 PM

Oct 2012

Including pastoral care, and determining who is fit for an endowment, and giving medical care orders.

They have much more power over individuals than a Catholic Bishop or even a parish priest.

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Mormonism is NO different than any other religion or club [View all] Taverner Oct 2012 OP

If it pleases you to think so then think so cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #1

I've studied it extensively Taverner Oct 2012 #4

You are missing that weird is subjective cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #34

I am trying really hard not to alienate the believers here... Taverner Oct 2012 #39

The Amish are outsiders intentionally, too. geardaddy Oct 2012 #101

yup lots of groups intentionally live outside of so called normal society loli phabay Oct 2012 #105

That's their choice and fine with me. lalalu Oct 2012 #124

And I am not eager to have an Amish president. Bigoted me. cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #106

Maybe I'm going out on a limb by saying that there's no way any Amish would ever run nt riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #109

I wouldn't either. I'm just pointing out that they live outside the mainstream geardaddy Oct 2012 #129

In any case, I'd guess it's a political loser to go after Romney's religion struggle4progress Oct 2012 #2

It's a cheap shot - like doing standup consisting of nothing but dick jokes Taverner Oct 2012 #10

I don't think mainstream Christians seek a Theocracy, though sure, what religion wouldn't want to be WinkyDink Oct 2012 #51

Excellent post obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #73

Yeah? Go on the internet tubes and google" Mormon White Horse Prophesy." jerseyjack Oct 2012 #57

Look up the Jewish Messiah, or the Second Coming of Christ, or the Madhi... Taverner Oct 2012 #58

Except this is an actual battle plan obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #79

Thank You lalalu Oct 2012 #127

Ins't that what got us into trouble with Bush? lalalu Oct 2012 #128

The difference is that their religion has racism built into it. lalalu Oct 2012 #3

Lots of religions have racism built in Taverner Oct 2012 #5

Harry Reid has explicitly endorsed the separation of church and state. So has Biden (like JFK) riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #15

That's a Republican thing. Not necesarrily a Mormon one. Taverner Oct 2012 #16

If you're going to use Harry Reid as the Mormon standard then its an important point riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #37

Then we have a problem with Romney because he is against the SOCAS Taverner Oct 2012 #46

Sure but that's informed by his RELIGION and its dogma that a Mormon US president riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #63

And other religions don't inform the same dogma to their parishioners? Taverner Oct 2012 #66

Do you know of any other mainstream religions with a White Horse Prophecy these days? riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #82

id say the hidden iman comes close but thats turning the whole of mankind loli phabay Oct 2012 #90

Yes, I have always felt he lalalu Oct 2012 #56

Sadly, you're probably right... Taverner Oct 2012 #59

And most (if not all) of them have sexism built in. (n/t) chimpymustgo Oct 2012 #6

Yep. Even Buddhism and Bahai. Taverner Oct 2012 #11

Very true lalalu Oct 2012 #159

You know, Slavery, yes SLAVERY was justified using Deuteronomy nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #8

Yes, and as I stated they have had internal fights over these issues. lalalu Oct 2012 #61

Include the LSD in that internal fight nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #71

If you think saying black people cannot enter heaven lalalu Oct 2012 #92

At this point this is not about them nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #98

This about Mormons and your attempt to lalalu Oct 2012 #121

But it is not JUST MORMONS nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #126

Every groups has elements of racism. lalalu Oct 2012 #131

Based on my views nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #136

"do you want the US Government to go back to it's policy of open religious persecution" lalalu Oct 2012 #150

And sexism. Even in the Mormon afterlife, women are second class citizens riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #9

I don't think Islam lets women into heaven Taverner Oct 2012 #14

They do. nt riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #25

thx for the correction Taverner Oct 2012 #41

yeah but the hadith talk explicitly about what those women are for loli phabay Oct 2012 #50

The credibility of hadith is an enormous, hot and difficult topic riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #72

and yet the imans use the hadith as do many muslims loli phabay Oct 2012 #87

yeah but in the fundie muslim heaven they have to service the martyr with 71 other women loli phabay Oct 2012 #24

No. They don't. nt riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #27

well you better go tell the fundies that they dont believe it. loli phabay Oct 2012 #31

True lalalu Oct 2012 #75

The Democratic Party also has a very racist past. Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #13

Romney believes in the golden tablets. Obama believes that Jesus Christ turned water into wine. Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #7

Yup pointed this out the other day nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #12

I suggest you go live in eastern idaho for a few years. aletier_v Oct 2012 #18

Of what, that we have extreme religions? nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #30

On reflection I see what you are saying lalalu Oct 2012 #160

Eastern Idaho is no different that parts of Rural Missisippi Taverner Oct 2012 #32

Idaho and Utah lalalu Oct 2012 #120

It is considerably different. JFK wasn't a Bishop; he wasn't "fulfiliing" a prophecy for a Theocracy WinkyDink Oct 2012 #23

And your point? nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #33

Oh, "Jaysus" to you, too. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #60

Whatever, you go on create the other nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #77

I'll go with what I'm hearing from former LDS members Occulus Oct 2012 #135

And I will vote against Romney based on HIS POLICIES nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #137

An LDS bishop isn't even remotely similar to an RCC bishop slackmaster Oct 2012 #52

NOT THE POINT. The POINT is that Romney IS in his Church hierarchy. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #65

EVERY MORMON is in their church hierarchy Taverner Oct 2012 #68

And did he think of himself as the Queen Bee? WinkyDink Oct 2012 #74

Good One lalalu Oct 2012 #134

Absolutely not true obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #91

Not any more. Romney's term as a bishop expired many years ago, before he became a politician. slackmaster Oct 2012 #81

He was a Stake President which is a similar role to an RCC Bishop CreekDog Oct 2012 #80

The operative verb here being "was" slackmaster Oct 2012 #85

It is an almost all-powrful leadership position obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #89

Exactly lalalu Oct 2012 #117

You need to brush up on history. lalalu Oct 2012 #116

Why is Catholicism always the default comparison? Anglicanism began over a divorce, FGS. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #17

It's that whole numbers thing Taverner Oct 2012 #21

Scientologists always use the RC as the default, too obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #84

Of course. But we're talking about politics. Marr Oct 2012 #19

Animal gods are "no weirder"? WinkyDink Oct 2012 #26

Than a magical zombie carpenter born from a coupling of god and teenage girl? Marr Oct 2012 #29

It's all strange Taverner Oct 2012 #35

Sure, and they were all equally irrational. Marr Oct 2012 #45

Yep Taverner Oct 2012 #48

Yes, actually (BTW, Christ wasn't a carpenter; Joseph was.) WinkyDink Oct 2012 #69

Thank you for saying this obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #94

The Bible describes him as a carpenter or stonemason. Marr Oct 2012 #115

Because *CARPENTER* was the preposterous part? Marr Oct 2012 #99

Which is why I sent a link to the vid to several people Politicub Oct 2012 #20

That I understand Taverner Oct 2012 #28

I have plenty of reasons to detest Mitt Romney Aerows Oct 2012 #22

You are completely off-base re: Mitt's Mormonism. He believes; he is a Bishop; he speaks of his WinkyDink Oct 2012 #36

I have a very hard time with Mitt's credibility Aerows Oct 2012 #44

He walks the walk. Believe what you will. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #55

And you could well be right Aerows Oct 2012 #64

ALL Religions are screwy IMHO sellitman Oct 2012 #38

Now this is a post I can agree with. lalalu Oct 2012 #132

sounds like the catholic church to me loli phabay Oct 2012 #139

Catholic Chuch and every religion I know of. lalalu Oct 2012 #143

mayby its like a cellphone plan and theres no roaming loli phabay Oct 2012 #153

That's funny lalalu Oct 2012 #157

It is not the beliefs, it is what they do about their beliefs Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #40

This is true... Taverner Oct 2012 #42

He's also demonstrably lived out his faith's tenets that women are not equal to men riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #49

I think all religions are nuts!!! Taverner Oct 2012 #54

You couldn't torture me into telling you what we do at the Possum Lodge slackmaster Oct 2012 #43

gotta ask wtf is a possum lodge ive seen beaver lodges in the woods but never a possum one loli phabay Oct 2012 #118

You are correct, but you are also totally missing the point.... Moonwalk Oct 2012 #47

But where do you draw the line? Taverner Oct 2012 #62

The Difference Is Age, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2012 #53

Mormonism has elements of the Abrahamaic religions nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #67

Sure, Ma'am, But It is Obviously a Magpie's Collection Of Baubles And Shine The Magistrate Oct 2012 #76

Becuase you are not part of it nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #93

When the Lying Grifter Kicked It Off, Ma'am, No One Was Part Of It The Magistrate Oct 2012 #103

But we are not talking of over 100 years ago nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #119

Josiah Is A Good Deal More Recent Than That, Ma'am The Magistrate Oct 2012 #123

He was still the one who commisioned it nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #130

Raised By The Priests, Ma'am, So they Say The Magistrate Oct 2012 #133

So... every religion has a starting point nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #138

And How Far back that is, Ma'am, Matters To How they Are Perceived The Magistrate Oct 2012 #148

jesus was a grifter too, you should read more snooper2 Oct 2012 #140

Well let's be accurate nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #145

That is An Arguable Point, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2012 #146

Let's put it another way, they all pray, they all have churches/temples/synagogues snooper2 Oct 2012 #149

True Enough, Sir, and Not under Dispute Here The Magistrate Oct 2012 #151

It is actually simple nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #158

you shouldn't criticize someone for telling the truth about a religion CreekDog Oct 2012 #88

This -- telling the truth is not a slander obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #97

Oh Nadin's not accusing DUers of slander. Its accusations of Nazis in their quest to demonize Jews riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #104

Talk about the history all you want nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #107

All religions dream to have political power Taverner Oct 2012 #112

Religion has it's evolutionary (as social construct) uses nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #122

Then you know Mormon's also did their fair share of persecuting from the Mountain Meadow massacre riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #114

No, Magistrate made observations about Mormonism and you put words into his mouth CreekDog Oct 2012 #142

Whatever nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #144

No. But why didn't you ask me when I stopped beating my wife? CreekDog Oct 2012 #147

Mormons have to take only one guy's word for it (Joseph Smith). Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #102

Not true -- LDS and Scientology have their own special corner obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #70

That's "suppressive person" and I am proud to be an SP2 slackmaster Oct 2012 #78

Lots of similarities between teh two obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #95

Religion is all about reassuring people that after death, they can go on with their lives Taverner Oct 2012 #110

It's a cult... S_E_Fudd Oct 2012 #83

Christianity itself is a cult. It was one of many that existed at the time of Jesus. slackmaster Oct 2012 #86

It won by going Borg Mambo #5 Taverner Oct 2012 #108

No it isn't obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #111

I struggle with this issue. I agree that it would be difficult to explain Catholicism, or any Texas Lawyer Oct 2012 #96

"Man is the only animal to have discovered the One True God.....several of them." Mark Twain Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #100

Unique to the LDS Church is the oath of vengeance KamaAina Oct 2012 #113

Mountain Meadows lalalu Oct 2012 #141

My favorite religions are Dervishes, the people who say shit like "falafel" and pretend they're... porphyrian Oct 2012 #125

Okay...how many religions, cults, and clubs want to replace the US government with.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #152

kind of like asking how many groups other than furries want a furrie president loli phabay Oct 2012 #155

You are right. Hamlette Oct 2012 #154

Not buying. That club deliberately took away the rights of my lovely, innocent friends Zorra Oct 2012 #156

Locking REP Oct 2012 #161