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247. Dem agenda is failing PoC, only thing they passed is white man's jobs bill ie BIF.

Fri Dec 17, 2021, 06:48 PM

Dec 2021

Lest we remind them that Biden is only President due to PoC saving him in SC during the primaries. In the general election it was PoC turnout in places like Milwaukee, Detroit, Philly and Atlanta that helped swing those states into the blue column.

Dems/Biden need to come down hard on Manchinema and get us BBB and voting rights. The Squad are not the ones standing in the way, nor did they push for anything 'far left', but only want standard things that every Dem should want.

I supported Hillary over Bernie and Shontel over Nina and am a man of color and lifelong Dem.

The Dem party wants to cater to Manchinema yet shove aside the PoC agenda - fuck that noise. There are marches planned in January around MLK day to pressure Dems/Biden/Manchinema to push through voting rights by any means necessary.

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The Squad was right to vote against infrastructure bill Part 2: Manchin snubs constituents [View all] wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 OP

So Sherman A1 Dec 2021 #1

Right now you effectively have worse than nothing wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #4

... mcar Dec 2021 #6

My feeling exactly n/t Just_Vote_Dem Dec 2021 #14

Yes, it's ridiculous. betsuni Dec 2021 #28

I disagree LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2021 #7

The something led to Biden's poll numbers dropping wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #11

Who said his poll #'s dropped? Who ran that poll? Budi Dec 2021 #12

Read it. Learn it. Live it. wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #18

OOOOHHHH YAAAA. WAPO. Budi Dec 2021 #19

If it's already debunked, then let's see the evidence wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #20

That's from more than a month ago. This is current - "Read it. Learn it. Live it."..... George II Dec 2021 #90

I would not read that anti-Democratic Party rag...cancelled my subscription in fact. Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #178

If you do not like Senator Manchin then help elect more Democratic Senators LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2021 #258

You cite a month old poll. Just admit you made a talking point up. Drunken Irishman Dec 2021 #277

Again, I trust President Joe Biden LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2021 #24

So BBB will be passed by Christmas wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #33

Read President Biden's statement or have someone read it for you LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2021 #40

Oh, now it's "as early as possible" wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #43

Then they will keep working on the bill until it is passed. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #44

Then that means the Christmas deadline was bunk wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #45

That's part of the legislative process. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #91

Nowhere in the post mentioned Biden wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #125

Why, you've made plenty of false accusations yourself? TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #140

Name the false accusations wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #148

So you can alert and get my post hidden? TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #152

You need to be specific wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #154

No I don't. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #157

All I said about Manchinema wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #163

Why do you keep using that derogatory insulting nickname? George II Dec 2021 #191

Its clearly a Portmanteau Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2021 #207

It's a disrespectful nickname for two Democratic Senators and a malicious caricature. George II Dec 2021 #208

I'm sorry. I'll PM you first before I respond to make sure it's an appropriate response. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2021 #209

It's just curious that in such a long discussion you skipped almost down to the bottom to address... George II Dec 2021 #211

What? "Manchinema"? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #228

ROTFL. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #215

"Observable facts" are subjective, particularly if one isn't directly involved in the conversation.. George II Dec 2021 #223

If those talks with Manchinema bore fruit, we would see them by now wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #229

Are you calling President Biden a liar who is "moving the goalposts"? George II Dec 2021 #121

All I know is that there was a plan to pass BBB by Christmas wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #123

There have been plans to pass it all year. Plans often don't work out. Gone, poof. betsuni Dec 2021 #144

When you're constantly shifting goals wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #146

Like how the goal was shifted from six trillion to a lower amount? betsuni Dec 2021 #175

So negotiating in good faith and coming to the middle is bad. Got it. wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #232

You said, "Some roads will be fixed, but not all" so yes, you think coming to the middle is betsuni Dec 2021 #237

I was talking about BBB wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #238

Oh, that "Nothing is better than something" is different. Not. betsuni Dec 2021 #243

And when you are constantly setting unrealistic goals TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #250

There was a hope it would pass by Christmas. Welcome to Congressional politics. George II Dec 2021 #198

You mean welcome to another midterm thumping wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #199

Correct. ALL Democrats should support and vote for ALL Democratic bills. Seems you selectively... George II Dec 2021 #202

I give this spin a thumbs down and a curtsy wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #203

In trudging thru this thread I figured out that somebody did not get their sparkle-pony.... Hekate Dec 2021 #253

+1 George II Dec 2021 #254

Somebody's pretending that Santa PROMISED the sparkle pony for Christmas. betsuni Dec 2021 #257

We can always call him Santamanchinema... sheshe2 Dec 2021 #259

Please...it takes time and patience to pass that bill...why don't you ask both sides to Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #179

His poll numbers have dropped due to inflation iemanja Dec 2021 #134

Then why hasn't there been a boost in the polls? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #136

I'm so sorry that bridges will be fixed rather than collapsing iemanja Dec 2021 #141

There has been. George II Dec 2021 #189

No it didn't. The foot dragging on infrastructure, Afghanistan (where even Democrats castigated Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #177

Again, this is going to be get done in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2021 #255

Thank you. This is getting so old. nt Hekate Dec 2021 #251

You are certainly entitled to your opinion Sherman A1 Dec 2021 #15

+1, with poor messaging mechanics we're not going to get the positive word out like we should and uponit7771 Dec 2021 #30

So "You Didn't Clap Hard Enough" will be the excuse for 2022? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #38

No, we need to execute on all cylinders we're missing one with message mechanics uponit7771 Dec 2021 #65

And what message does punting on BBB till the next year send? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #68

The same as if we passed it without good message mechanics; pretty much BAU, .... uponit7771 Dec 2021 #74

Promising a Christmas deadline, then punting, is not good message discipline wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #79

It sure seems like you are disappointed in President Biden's messaging. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #97

This is poor communications wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #102

Possibly, but if there is something to be learned TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #106

The "poor communications" refers to a DU post wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #113

Is that your own post? nt TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #133

Wrong wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #135

Your reply reminds me that some people are never satisfied. nt TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #41

You have no idea you're talking about. rockfordfile Dec 2021 #116

Biden's poll number is still underwater wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #119

Are you applauding that? You think poll numbers are based on one single bill? George II Dec 2021 #194

According to 538, Biden's aggregates only inched up about a point from November's low wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #200

Spreading more cynicism again I see. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #217

There is good stuff in the infrastructure bill. As for the midterms, we have a better chance with Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #176

Think it is better BIF was passed. The idea of linking the bills was stupid, Hoyt Dec 2021 #2

And probably cost us Virginia, suggesting the inability of Democrats to govern question everything Dec 2021 #3

Manchinema could have just voted for the entire package in the summer wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #10

Squad could have just voted yes too. Budi Dec 2021 #21

Makes for sense to pressure the radical minority holdouts to vote yes wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #23

Who is this "radical minority" of which you speak? So far.... George II Dec 2021 #192

And the Progressive House members could have voted for infrastructure in September instead Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #180

This mcar Dec 2021 #214

Bullseye JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #240

The idea of not passing a single bill was stupider wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #5

So it was all or nothing for you? TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #219

How many times have Democrats lost elections by not doing enough? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #226

If voters already reject Democrats because they are left of center, TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #230

And voters embrace Republicans because they are moderates? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #234

I am thinking logically. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #235

This is precisely 1972, 1984 thinking wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #236

I might be convinced if Justice Democrats could win in districts TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #249

Bif is a prime example of using public money to build infrastructure questionseverything Dec 2021 #29

That change occured weeks after the VA elelection. N/T lapucelle Dec 2021 #269

The upper level income change was written into the same bill questionseverything Dec 2021 #272

'Know when to hold and know when to fold': Progressives accept limits of their power LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2021 #8

So you're happy to see most of Biden's agenda being killed wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #9

Whoa...that's quite a stumpin for the "Nothing is better than something" spin Budi Dec 2021 #16

I was arguing that you can get everything if you play your cards right wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #17

The myth that getting the whole pie is the only righteous thing to do and that rejecting half the betsuni Dec 2021 #27

Right now Manchinema is getting the whole pie wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #31

What people? Biden: "My team and I are having ongoing discussions with Senator Manchin; betsuni Dec 2021 #39

Didn't you read the OP wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #42

So what people should put a stop to it? betsuni Dec 2021 #54

The Democratic Majority for Israel should be put on the case wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #58

What would they be able to do? betsuni Dec 2021 #105

Swoop in and do ad buys, for one. wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #110

Targeted at constituents to pressure Manchin and Sinema to vote for it? But they ignore constituents betsuni Dec 2021 #164

We need to pay closer attention to recent history wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #167

No evidence an ad made a difference. The effort to get Manchin to support the rescue plan betsuni Dec 2021 #172

I recall one senator asking for a $6 trillion package. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #88

I've heard that fighting hard enough brings victory. betsuni Dec 2021 #166

So did the squad play their cards right? TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #108

Right now, the Squad looks like they made the right call wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #112

Did the Squad get everything that they wanted? TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #128

The Squad and the progressives gave up concessions after consessions wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #131

So the Squad and progressives gave up concessions. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #143

That's called negotiating with a bad-faith partner wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #145

. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #149

Yes, we need to get past the spin wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #155

That effort needs to come from both sides. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #161

The only folks who look foolish are the uninformed. lapucelle Dec 2021 #264

That is the problem, you never get everything...and the more you 'play', the less likely it is Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #181

Again I live in the real world and I trust President Biden LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2021 #25

That's Biden conceding BBB won't get passed by Christmas wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #62

Who is Manchinema? TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #104

We need to stop being precious over what we call bad actors wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #111

So you wouldn't have a problem if I called the Squad a derogatory name? TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #124

Anyone can call the Squad names wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #127

There are plenty of Democrats that do not like the Squad. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #130

The Dems that don't like the Squad wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #132

Why should we have to explain? TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #142

Those who don't like the Squad wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #147

What makes you believe that we haven't already reflected on that? TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #150

The Squad are disliked for the same reason Rosa Parks radius777 Dec 2021 #158

No other words needed wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #162

This is my favorite. The "Yer racist, you wealthy white centrist/moderates, same as Republicans" betsuni Dec 2021 #187

That happened frequently with me last August. I was repeatedly accused of not supporting.... George II Dec 2021 #196

When there aren't policy goal differences, go after character. betsuni Dec 2021 #197

Dem agenda is failing PoC, only thing they passed is white man's jobs bill ie BIF. radius777 Dec 2021 #247

50-50 senate, completely dysfunctional opposition party. That's what's wrong. betsuni Dec 2021 #248

Are you serious? You're now introducing race into a vigorous political debate here? Has.... George II Dec 2021 #195

How dare you call me racist? mcar Dec 2021 #218

"BTW, Manchin and Sinema drive me crazy too" wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #227

Huh? mcar Dec 2021 #231

Who specifically called you racist? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #233

Nice try mcar Dec 2021 #239

No, I am truly curious wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #242

mcar is correct. sheshe2 Dec 2021 #260

No.. they're good. Cha Dec 2021 #246

Okay, using your logic would it make sense to say "Dems who don't like the BIF need to question.... George II Dec 2021 #252

So, it's perfectly fine for you to call Democratic senators mcar Dec 2021 #216

It is, and that member has engaged with that derogatory nonsense throughout the thread. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #220

Nor do they call them racist mcar Dec 2021 #225

And there in lies the problem...'the other side'...we should all be on the same side...what is Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #182

So what? Why is that so important? LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2021 #256

There is a segment that seems really happy Bettie Dec 2021 #32

Call it the Corbyn Effect wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #34

Progressives are part of our party and yes we expect that they will support Democrats. Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #183

Lobbing accusations at other Democrats? TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #224

Classic binary thinking. nt TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #85

Only way to interpret that post n/t wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #87

No it isn't, you are making an assumption TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #92

Why would you ever say that? Your Cha Dec 2021 #245

I never understood why it was separated into two bills in the first place MichMan Dec 2021 #13

Progressives are loyal to the fault to Biden wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #35

... sheshe2 Dec 2021 #47

Ummm.. the squad has voted against Biden & Dems more than Manchin has. Budi Dec 2021 #80

Talking about the Progressive Caucus wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #83

. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #96

A number of them voted against infrastructure...I don't consider that loyal... Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #184

THEY KNEW budkin Dec 2021 #22

They certainly did wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #36

But, to be fair, had they all voted for it Bettie Dec 2021 #51

What makes you think a joined bill would have passed? iemanja Dec 2021 #26

Because they passed the Rescue Plan with few concessions. wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #37

Manchinema? I like that, it suits them both. Autumn Dec 2021 #56

Apparently this is more acceptable than an epithet that rhymes with "Trader Joe's" wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #61

They severed it because Manchinema wouldn't vote for it otherwise iemanja Dec 2021 #63

That was called a "bluff" wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #66

Are they bluffing now? iemanja Dec 2021 #69

They now have room to slow-walk BBB till it dies wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #71

They are outcasts iemanja Dec 2021 #72

No, Democrats are still placating them wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #73

Only because the Dems have no choice iemanja Dec 2021 #75

If they are truly outcasts, Democrats would tell Manchinema to take it or leave it wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #76

Are you saying they are good actors? iemanja Dec 2021 #78

The bad actors are Manchinema wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #82

Okay, we agree iemanja Dec 2021 #84

Yes we agree wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #86

I think Manchin enjoys the power over the Dems iemanja Dec 2021 #89

Krysten Sinema is to the left of two squad members who voted against the President's bill. lapucelle Dec 2021 #266

That graph says nothing about her being to the left iemanja Dec 2021 #273

No one claimed she is "to the left of the rest of Democrats". lapucelle Dec 2021 #274

She is holding up the voting rights bill iemanja Dec 2021 #275

Senator Sinema is a co-sponsor on Senator Klobuchar's Freedom to Vote Act. lapucelle Dec 2021 #276

What's "Manchinima", a disrespectful nickname for someone? George II Dec 2021 #46

*Manchinema wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #48

Ok, what's "Manchinema"? Is that intended to be a disrespectful nickname for someone? George II Dec 2021 #49

You had one chance wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #50

In other words it's a disrespectful nickname for a Democrat or two. We get it. George II Dec 2021 #53

Sounds like the old right-wing term "Billary" to me. NYC Liberal Dec 2021 #168

Yep. Its disappointing when civil discourse deteriorates to name calling and insults. George II Dec 2021 #188

Yes, Sinema and Manchin iemanja Dec 2021 #64

Ok then, it's Manchin and Sinema, not Manchinema. George II Dec 2021 #67

Why should you even care? iemanja Dec 2021 #70

I respect Democrats, even those I might disagree with. It's as disrespectful as when republicans.... George II Dec 2021 #77

I support Biden's agenda iemanja Dec 2021 #81

According to projects.fivethirtyeight.com, both Manchin and Sinema support Biden's agenda, too.... George II Dec 2021 #95

and what do you call their positions on voting rights and build back better? iemanja Dec 2021 #98

Manchin is one of the original co-sponsors of Sen. Klobuchar's Freedom to Vote Act. lapucelle Dec 2021 #265

So you're telling us that six Democrats are more clairvoyant than 215 other Democrats? George II Dec 2021 #52

They wanted Manchinema to prove them wrong and make them eat crow wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #55

And you know that how? I don't understand how a vote in the House would have anything to do.... George II Dec 2021 #57

Here's AOC's Instagram stream explaining her "no" vote wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #60

If you have to explain why you voted a certain way on a bill, then you've already lost. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #94

Her audience knows why she voted against BIF wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #103

Bologna. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #115

Credit where credit is due wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #122

If we need a clairvoyant we could always get a consultation TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #137

Anyone not blinded by Squad hate could see this coming. wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #153

What is "Squad hate?" TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #156

A legislator's job is not to play to a twitter "audience". It's to represent constituents. lapucelle Dec 2021 #262

+1 betsuni Dec 2021 #263

Yes, at a time when.... George II Dec 2021 #100

It takes a truly special person wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #109

Try driving on any major highway at 8AM or 5PM in New York City.... George II Dec 2021 #118

I don't. I take the subways wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #120

Then you experienced this? George II Dec 2021 #126

Did you read my post? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #129

That "small fraction" is a characterization - it's $10.6 BILLION. Two NYC Representatives.... George II Dec 2021 #138

Annual MTA revenues say what? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #151

We seem to be going around in circles. Didn't you make a comment about... George II Dec 2021 #190

Because we left a lot more than $10 billion on the table wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #201

No we didn't. The bill was worth $1.2 TRILLION, not $10 billion. It's not complicated, in fact.... George II Dec 2021 #204

More funding for the flooded MTA, boss, remember? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #205

Representatives who voted Nay were willing to settle for zero. There were 206 total who voted Nay... George II Dec 2021 #206

I already addressed and debunked the false binary in the OP, sport wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #210

I'm not "sport", you like to play fast and loose with your offensive nicknames.... George II Dec 2021 #212

Post removed Post removed Dec 2021 #241

"Politics make strange bedfellows".. they Cha Dec 2021 #244

Hint 1: Annual MTA revenue funds day-to-day operating expenses. lapucelle Dec 2021 #267

Hope she does fall in line. n/t ChazII Dec 2021 #59

Interesting UCmeNdc Dec 2021 #93

So do you know what they are chatting about? TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #99

What's the point? All Senators walk around the floor and mingle, Democrats w/ republicans.... George II Dec 2021 #107

How long did it take to find this screenshot? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #114

After I got onto C-Span, about 30 seconds. Your point? George II Dec 2021 #139

Had to applaud your effort, man wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #171

I've had plenty of meetings with elected officials rescheduled. brooklynite Dec 2021 #101

When is rescheduling ever a good look? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #117

Doesn't the OP claim that leaving trillions on the table is a good look if The Squad does it? lapucelle Dec 2021 #268

People losing the expanded child tax credit is going to be devastating questionseverything Dec 2021 #159

What evidence is there that there was ever "leverage"? brooklynite Dec 2021 #193

See post 29 questionseverything Dec 2021 #213

Post 29 doesn't contain evidence about leverage. N/T lapucelle Dec 2021 #270

Nothing is never better than something. tirebiter Dec 2021 #160

Some roads will be fixed, not all wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #165

It is s start...none would have been fixed had we not passed infrastructure. Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #185

If not all roads will be fixed, give up, do not fight. Nothing is better than something. betsuni Dec 2021 #186

theme song for some of these comments Celerity Dec 2021 #169

Hit dogs will holler loud wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #170

Like the ones hollering about imaginary "broken promises" by Biden! betsuni Dec 2021 #173

No, they were not correct. Had they won that vote, we would have two bills going nowhere. Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #174

Manchin just oozes with good faith. Politicub Dec 2021 #221

Yes it was. The admin majorly FUBARed the handling of it berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #222

Squad Games Polybius Dec 2021 #261

I for one always expected Lucy to yet again move the football away pecosbob Dec 2021 #271