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Bucky

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Sat Dec 18, 2021, 03:24 AM Dec 2021

Alcoholics DO get liver transplants. [View all]

via https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6876525/

Abstract

Most candidates for liver transplantation have irreversible cirrhosis caused by years of heavy alcohol consumption. Arguments against liver transplantation for alcoholics include the presumption of relapse to heavy drinking, which might damage the new liver or lead to its rejection. Corresponding ethical arguments focus on the presumption that alcoholics brought their condition upon themselves and should not compete with nonalcoholics for scarce donor livers. However, experimental data demonstrate that carefully selected alcoholics can survive liver transplantation and return to the workplace as productive citizens. Moreover, it has never been considered ethical for clinicians to refuse treatment to patients for diseases that are partly or wholly preventable.


As utterly annoying as the anti-vax and anti-mask people are, insisting that the disease that put them in the crowded ICU is a hoax perpetrated by known hoaxsters Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci I do wish DUers would drop the notion that doctors and nurses are karma's agents of retribution and should refuse healthcare to people who don't mask up or get vaccinated.

If an idiot walks into a burning building, you still want them rushed to the local burn unit after they come out screaming "Maybe the fire isn't fake news!" This is about one of the core liberal values of building a society that safe and secure for all our people--yes, even for the gullible schmucks. Unlike the pro-lifers, we are in favor of saving human lives. As one libtard put it: all people are endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights, including life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Don't become what you despise. Just like we don't limit free speech to those you agree with, we don't devalue the lives and liberty of those who, for whatever stupid reasons, are devaluing their own lives.
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Besides what would be the ethical cut off? LiberatedUSA Dec 2021 #1
Mickey Mantle for one. ProudMNDemocrat Dec 2021 #2
Yes, he got a liver transplant. ShazzieB Dec 2021 #4
David Crosby no_hypocrisy Dec 2021 #5
And Larry Hagman. nt BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #11
Mickey Mantle also had cancer which was advanced DFW Dec 2021 #7
Every time I think about him and his transplant, I think about Erma Bombeck, and how niyad Dec 2021 #22
I was amazed that Dick Cheney: DENVERPOPS Dec 2021 #9
A few others off the top of my head... FarPoint Dec 2021 #13
Thank you, thank you, thank you for this! ShazzieB Dec 2021 #3
Yes but Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #6
+1 ProfessorGAC Dec 2021 #25
They ask for addicts/alcoholics to be clean/sober for janterry Dec 2021 #8
Interesting summary and great points. Thanks. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #26
K and r. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #10
THANK YOU ❤️ 👍 Raine Dec 2021 #12
My dentist was an alcoholic. piddyprints Dec 2021 #14
I know of 2 liver transplant cases, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #15
Lets take the analogy you propose a little bit further lapfog_1 Dec 2021 #16
Since you are evidently reacting to the discussion I started, let me clarify milestogo Dec 2021 #17
We are nowhere close to exhausting our resources. Bucky Dec 2021 #24
"Don't become what you despise." Talitha Dec 2021 #18
yes Skittles Dec 2021 #20
I basically agree but I hate Elessar Zappa Dec 2021 #19
I agree ENTIRELY. KentuckyWoman Dec 2021 #21
ha ha ha! Thank you for that! Bucky Dec 2021 #23
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