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milestogo

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17. Since you are evidently reacting to the discussion I started, let me clarify

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 09:39 AM

Dec 2021

I am talking about SCARCE RESOURCES and how they are distributed.

The shortage of ICU beds is happening in real time, right now.

Nobody is suggesting that anyone should be refused medical resources or care when there are enough to resources to go around.

We are living with a pandemic that is taxing our system to the max. Choices have to be made.

Moreover, it has never been considered ethical for clinicians to refuse treatment to patients for diseases that are partly or wholly preventable.

I completely agree with this. But when you have a shortage of resources you can't live up to it. You have to make choices based on some criteria and not pretend that we are living in a world where everything is abundant.

Alcoholics have been refused liver transplants. So have non-alcoholics over age 60. These choices have always been made.

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Alcoholics DO get liver transplants. [View all] Bucky Dec 2021 OP

Besides what would be the ethical cut off? LiberatedUSA Dec 2021 #1

Mickey Mantle for one. ProudMNDemocrat Dec 2021 #2

Yes, he got a liver transplant. ShazzieB Dec 2021 #4

David Crosby no_hypocrisy Dec 2021 #5

And Larry Hagman. nt BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #11

Mickey Mantle also had cancer which was advanced DFW Dec 2021 #7

Every time I think about him and his transplant, I think about Erma Bombeck, and how niyad Dec 2021 #22

I was amazed that Dick Cheney: DENVERPOPS Dec 2021 #9

A few others off the top of my head... FarPoint Dec 2021 #13

Thank you, thank you, thank you for this! ShazzieB Dec 2021 #3

Yes but Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #6

+1 ProfessorGAC Dec 2021 #25

They ask for addicts/alcoholics to be clean/sober for janterry Dec 2021 #8

Interesting summary and great points. Thanks. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #26

K and r. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #10

THANK YOU ❤️ 👍 Raine Dec 2021 #12

My dentist was an alcoholic. piddyprints Dec 2021 #14

I know of 2 liver transplant cases, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #15

Lets take the analogy you propose a little bit further lapfog_1 Dec 2021 #16

Since you are evidently reacting to the discussion I started, let me clarify milestogo Dec 2021 #17

We are nowhere close to exhausting our resources. Bucky Dec 2021 #24

"Don't become what you despise." Talitha Dec 2021 #18

yes Skittles Dec 2021 #20

I basically agree but I hate Elessar Zappa Dec 2021 #19

I agree ENTIRELY. KentuckyWoman Dec 2021 #21

ha ha ha! Thank you for that! Bucky Dec 2021 #23