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lapucelle

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34. Your link is to an old, obsolete webpage that has Trump as president.

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 06:42 PM

Dec 2021

Your link is not based on on anyone's "career", other than Donald Trump's. And according to your link, Trump is still president. That webpage links to FiveThirtyEight "Votes with Trump Scores".

That's the exact data I cited, along with the most recent "Votes with Biden" scores.

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All of my links are current and the statistics cited are from data analyst Nate Silver's 538 website. To review:

According to DATA last updated on December 15, 2021

Senator Manchin votes with Democrats 97% of the time
Senator Sanders votes with Democrats 92% of the time
Representative Ocasio-Cortez votes with Democrats 91% of the time

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/joe-manchin/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/bernard-sanders/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/alexandria-ocasio-cortez/

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Joe Manchin votes with Republicans 54% of the time (from 2018) [View all] ColinC Dec 2021 OP

He's bragging about this?!? LoisB Dec 2021 #1

Yes. Apparently he ran on it. ColinC Dec 2021 #3

THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Dec 2021 #24

Does Your Member Of Congress Vote With Or Against Biden? andym Dec 2021 #2

Not the point. The point is whether they vote with democrats. ColinC Dec 2021 #4

What? That's a fair question when dolling out criticism Budi Dec 2021 #13

I think the fairer question is how they get elected ColinC Dec 2021 #14

I don't think reasonable figures into the voting record of any Red State Budi Dec 2021 #15

He says it qazplm135 Dec 2021 #9

Welp, you (it is usually another poster who used that as his go-to meme and failed every time) can't Celerity Dec 2021 #25

I suspect that the majority of those were votes with overwhelming majorities. BlueCheeseAgain Dec 2021 #5

To be fair, I think it helped him win re election ColinC Dec 2021 #7

Yup. Its a ruby red state. He's been there long enough to know the game Budi Dec 2021 #16

My Senators vote R 100%. I'd be glad to have him in my state redstateblues Dec 2021 #6

And right now JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #8

I mean it matters a lot. But only as much or almost as much as voting rights and ColinC Dec 2021 #10

Which wouldn't even be on the discussion table with Sen Maj Leader McConnell. Budi Dec 2021 #17

Yeah ColinC Dec 2021 #18

Truly sucks that he holds the stack of cards as he does. Budi Dec 2021 #23

Despite some big stuff not passing (still inconclusive on some), I do acknowledge that a lot of good ColinC Dec 2021 #28

Its a fragile fine line, but power is still in our hands. Budi Dec 2021 #29

Have you forgotten what it was like with Majority leader McConnell? karynnj Dec 2021 #69

BBB and Voting rights matter about as much or more than ColinC Dec 2021 #70

You imply it is a choice and your conclusion sees only the extremes karynnj Dec 2021 #76

Yeah I'm getting cynical. ColinC Dec 2021 #77

Wow. Bragging about supporting Trump. JFC. nt DLevine Dec 2021 #11

THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Dec 2021 #26

B-b-but his fan club on DU claims he has a "100% Biden loyalty" voting record! Fiendish Thingy Dec 2021 #12

His "fan club" doesn't see McConnell as an alternative. Budi Dec 2021 #27

:) I guess if someone's volunteered me I should take Hortensis Dec 2021 #71

And that is what remains when all the chatter & noise stops. Budi Dec 2021 #73

None of those who repeatedly insist we should get rid of Manchin Hortensis Dec 2021 #75

And probably 100% of the time when it counts... nt Colgate 64 Dec 2021 #19

If it counts and he doesn't support the bill, the bill does not go up to a vote ColinC Dec 2021 #20

Most Senators, Members of Congress and Presidents would kill for Manchin's 62% approval rating. Calista241 Dec 2021 #21

Sacrificing your principles to be liked is certainly impressive ColinC Dec 2021 #22

I think his principles just don't agree with ours. Calista241 Dec 2021 #40

The last year is the most important. Until one vote last week he's voted with Biden 100%.... George II Dec 2021 #30

The last year is anecdotal ColinC Dec 2021 #31

So what votes has he blocked? People keep saying that with no specifics .... George II Dec 2021 #65

I haven't heard anybody say he blocked any votes. ColinC Dec 2021 #66

There have been posts all over this site claiming it. George II Dec 2021 #67

I understand the claim to be we don't vote on legislation unless it has 51 votes to pass ColinC Dec 2021 #68

The 51st is Vice President Kamala Harris. George II Dec 2021 #72

While technically true, she is low on the list of holdouts to transformative legislation like BBB ColinC Dec 2021 #74

Your link says that Trump is still president. lapucelle Dec 2021 #32

My link is based on his career. Yours is anecdotal based on only a year. ColinC Dec 2021 #33

Your link is to an old, obsolete webpage that has Trump as president. lapucelle Dec 2021 #34

It's from 2018. it is what he ran on. ColinC Dec 2021 #35

And during the same period, Senator Sanders voted with Republicans 24% of the time lapucelle Dec 2021 #36

Manchin voted with Republicans almost 2.5 times as much as AOC. ColinC Dec 2021 #37

I'm sure Nate Silver will take it under advisement. N/T lapucelle Dec 2021 #38

He gave us the data already. Nothing to advise. ColinC Dec 2021 #39

Yes, Nate Silver has given us the data. lapucelle Dec 2021 #41

There have been 39 votes cast by Manchin this year. ColinC Dec 2021 #42

I rely professional statisticians and data analysts for valid, reliable information lapucelle Dec 2021 #43

Basic math can be done by both professional and non professional statististicians ColinC Dec 2021 #44

Easy extrapolation using basic math... lapucelle Dec 2021 #45

Which I did. ColinC Dec 2021 #46

This is why people rely on experts. lapucelle Dec 2021 #48

Extrapolation definition ColinC Dec 2021 #49

Of course even if we don't use my extrapolation, your source's larger data set shows Sanders has a ColinC Dec 2021 #47

Yes, it's probably preferable to leave your extrapolation out of it. lapucelle Dec 2021 #50

Or use a dictionary definition of the word instead of reaching for ColinC Dec 2021 #51

I trust experts like Nate Silver with complex topics like data analysis. N/T lapucelle Dec 2021 #52

Nate silver says ColinC Dec 2021 #53

Your original headline was innaccurate and you conceded that with the edit. lapucelle Dec 2021 #54

Facts and expertise include all the facts. Something you seem relentless in not doing. ColinC Dec 2021 #55

Data analysis is complex & best left to experts. Statistical "conclusions" reached through dubious lapucelle Dec 2021 #56

Then cite all their data and include ALL their data. Don't be selective about it. ColinC Dec 2021 #57

The data is on FiveThirtyEight. What isn't there is an amateur compilation of unrelated data sets lapucelle Dec 2021 #58

It is. Which is why I know you are being selective about it. ColinC Dec 2021 #59

There's nothing selective about the FiveThirtyEight's organization of unrelated data sets. N/T lapucelle Dec 2021 #60

That's why you included all the votes since 2017 included on 538, right? ColinC Dec 2021 #61

... lapucelle Dec 2021 #62

Relevant because he campaigned on that number ColinC Dec 2021 #64

K&R UTUSN Dec 2021 #63