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Chernevog

(31 posts)
16. I have been discussing this
Fri Jan 28, 2022, 10:25 AM
Jan 2022

It is still working rather well because Republicans still use one of the main insults created in this document created by Gingrich and Luntz... but I still constantly call Democrats either socialist or communist and first thing that Democrats do is they jump to try to defend socialism

My response is always to point out that these social programs that Democrats tried to create were actually first created in Europe by European conservatives in the Christian Democratic party applying Christian principles to Democratic Government...
This is actually true and it diffuses the constant Republican attacks on Democrats as being socialist. You can go back to the history of all of these social programs in Continental Europe and you're always going to find out that it was Christian Democratic politicians who started them... of course Mitt Romney started his own health insurance mandate by copying European Christian Democratic model and Obama followed suit with Obamacare Republicans still call it socialism and Democrats respond by trying to defend socialism...

It would actually be a better strategy to point out that all of this stuff was created by European Christians trying to create a more Christian Society than trying to defend socialism...

It doesn't matter how factual all of this is because there is some wiggle room in the role social democrats played, but by and large I have use this strategy during a debate and it has left conservatives flummoxed...

When you point out that the concept of social security was created by Otto von Bismarck one of the most conservative figures of the 19th century they just don't know how to respond

He should be doing this presentation in the US not the UK. gab13by13 Jan 2022 #1
Yes. Wingus Dingus Jan 2022 #37
I love how these educated right wingers PCIntern Jan 2022 #2
He created the shit show tavernier Jan 2022 #5
Yep - until he says "this is the mess I played a big role in creating" Cosmocat Jan 2022 #13
Frank Luntz quotes Steve Urkel. GoCubsGo Jan 2022 #3
Thanks, Dr. Luntz-Frankenstein. Whatever. betsuni Jan 2022 #4
It seems like the natural consequence of a two party system Klaralven Jan 2022 #6
Competition is a natural consequence of a two party system. Lying and cheating is just that. TigressDem Jan 2022 #9
Politicians have been lying and cheating forever Klaralven Jan 2022 #12
Sounds like false equivalence.. whathehell Jan 2022 #18
The Democratic Party, pre-Civil War, would probably be right up there Klaralven Jan 2022 #20
Yes, well, that WAS over one and a half centuries ago.. whathehell Jan 2022 #21
William M. Tweed -- more recently Klaralven Jan 2022 #24
William M.Tweed, 1823 - 1878? whathehell Jan 2022 #27
Yep. TigressDem Jan 2022 #47
Hi Tigress whathehell Jan 2022 #51
Well, that was what tar and feathers were for. TigressDem Jan 2022 #46
Is he signing his work? C_U_L8R Jan 2022 #7
Our National loonesy stems from the British. Omnipresent Jan 2022 #8
And we've now Lapped them 10 times. BannonsLiver Jan 2022 #19
Nah, they've been at it longer.. whathehell Jan 2022 #23
Lunacy. Wingus Dingus Jan 2022 #36
"Contrasting words" Baitball Blogger Jan 2022 #10
Yeah because the UK is a bastion of racial and ethnic harmony Takket Jan 2022 #11
Bingo. geardaddy Jan 2022 #32
Luntz is a professional corporate media liar. We need to change the Libel laws in the US. sop Jan 2022 #14
He, his lame tup and his stupid ass shoes can all go fuck themselves. He created this, along Carlitos Brigante Jan 2022 #15
I have been discussing this Chernevog Jan 2022 #16
Good First Post, But... ProfessorGAC Jan 2022 #40
Nice post, welcome to DU! Mr. Sparkle Jan 2022 #45
You know who would be the party to string Jesus up in our time and call him a traitor, RIGHT? TigressDem Jan 2022 #48
"I helped turn America into a shitshow and got PAID to do it - want to see?" hatrack Jan 2022 #17
The problem is that Luntz was extra good at formulating talking points. LakeArenal Jan 2022 #26
And so now he's . . . what, begging forgiveness? What's the point of this schtick? hatrack Jan 2022 #50
I guess. Maybe he could turn some good talking points against "THEM". LakeArenal Jan 2022 #52
Own it or go home Frankie. Boomerproud Jan 2022 #22
Luntz is the problem. skip fox Jan 2022 #25
All his presentation needed to be was him standing there. He created the "DemoCRAT" as adjective UTUSN Jan 2022 #28
And his toupee looks goofy as well poli-junkie Jan 2022 #29
Luntz has gall to narrate a cautionary tale to the UK peggysue2 Jan 2022 #30
The United States is an open air insane asylum inwiththenew Jan 2022 #31
Well he's not wrong! Initech Jan 2022 #33
Fuck Luntz geardaddy Jan 2022 #34
A Trumpery lawyer bears false (presumably) witness against Luntz. He can't get work in the US. Marcuse Jan 2022 #35
I looked for the list of "contrasting words." Here it is, from 1995: chia Jan 2022 #38
Frank Luntz & Newt Gingrich brought this on. Isn't this what they wanted? Hekate Jan 2022 #39
Imagine if a Democrat had done this... Grins Jan 2022 #41
Hannity Slammer Jan 2022 #43
classic takedown of Luntz krkaufman Jan 2022 #42
It wasn't us vilifying them. It was straight one-way Mr. Luntz. mahina Jan 2022 #44
You KNOW it's BAD when the guy who invented it is trying to distance himself from it. nt TigressDem Jan 2022 #49
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