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muriel_volestrangler

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91. You took one line about "racial traits" and wrote, several times, as if that was "race"
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 11:38 AM
Feb 2022

and that it meant the Nazi persecution was based on "religion, not race".

Nazis had claimed there were "racial traits" of Jews (and others, for that matter). But, when it came to defining someone as Jewish, they couldn't do it using those "traits" (because even if there is any difference on average, the variation inside "Jews", "Roma", "Aryans" etc. was more than the difference between groups). So they went to something they could list and quantify (religious practice of grandparents) and then used descent from that. By using descent, they were saying "it's not about your religion", so it didn't matter if the people under threat of the 1930s laws were observant Jews, agnostic, or even converted to Christianity. They were indeed claiming it was about race (see all the paragraphs surrounding the one you quoted), but that they thought the religion of grandparents was the best way of determining race.

I thought you had begun to understand this, but your most recent replies, in which you claim you have been misinterpreted, don't look like that now. You don't need apologies; it would help if you acknowledged that going from "racial traits" to "race" had been misleading.

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https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/victims-of-the-nazi-era-nazi-racial-ideology Meowmee Feb 2022 #1
Then explain this as they recorded who was Jewish as in The Nuremberg Laws Budi Feb 2022 #4
Do some more reading, you are wrong Meowmee Feb 2022 #6
The question is in the paragraph I posted. Budi Feb 2022 #12
Re Read the part I linked, it is from the same site, I am not familiar with the site but it Meowmee Feb 2022 #17
Sounds like you're trying to impose a Christian understanding of religion on Judaism unblock Feb 2022 #21
Well thanks. Appreciate your reply. Budi Feb 2022 #23
It was not based on religious but race...the final solution was aimed at stamping out the Jewish Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #75
A man having his nose measured during Aryan race determination tests under Nazi Germany's Nuremberg Celerity Feb 2022 #36
Ahhh eugenics mitch96 Feb 2022 #105
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ n/t msfiddlestix Feb 2022 #81
Race as defined by H and others Meowmee Feb 2022 #34
letter of the law VS what happened in the real world krawhitham Feb 2022 #24
Thanks. That was all I was asking. Budi Feb 2022 #27
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2022 #51
here are the two main Nuremberg laws, translated Celerity Feb 2022 #52
Yes, but: Socal31 Feb 2022 #42
Are you fuicking kidding?! Behind the Aegis Feb 2022 #49
You must be responding to the wrong person. Socal31 Feb 2022 #54
Your own phrase: 'Jonathan Greenblatt, ADL CEO before his "whoops we got her suspended" tour' muriel_volestrangler Feb 2022 #62
In another thread, on the exact same topic, he wrote almost the same thing...almost... Behind the Aegis Feb 2022 #110
Exactly. Perfectly explained. Solly Mack Feb 2022 #111
+100 JustAnotherGen Feb 2022 #108
Did you completely miss the first 3 paragraphs? Ms. Toad Feb 2022 #2
Yep Meowmee Feb 2022 #5
Did you not read the particular paragraph I found questionable enough to Post here to discuss? Budi Feb 2022 #37
So you believe one reference, in a single sentence, Ms. Toad Feb 2022 #73
I never said I believed anything. Where did I say that? Budi Feb 2022 #77
Either you believe it, your OP was tone deaf, or you're shit stirring - Ms. Toad Feb 2022 #107
LOL.... omg.... Budi Feb 2022 #109
your own site contradicts this Celerity Feb 2022 #3
and THAT is the correct answer. WarGamer Feb 2022 #7
Already linked by me above Meowmee Feb 2022 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Budi Feb 2022 #10
That doesn't address the quoted paragraph from the Same Link. The one in my OP. Budi Feb 2022 #14
They were not the Nuremberg Religious Laws, they were the Nuremberg RACE Laws Celerity Feb 2022 #32
They never asked my mother her religion. Not that she could answer, as an infant. unblock Feb 2022 #8
Then it was based on the grandparents religion. Budi Feb 2022 #11
I understand that you're ignoring everything else. unblock Feb 2022 #13
Apparantly Ignoring paragraphs we disagree with then, is ok? Budi Feb 2022 #16
If the Nazis couldn't find incriminating records harumph Feb 2022 #56
This is it, I lived in Germany and didn't understand HTF they knew who was who. They literally uponit7771 Feb 2022 #68
They murdered people with any Jewish blood as it was about race and not religion. I have no Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #76
Yes. I don't know why it's so difficult harumph Feb 2022 #55
Cherry picking to show the master race was not racist... Ohio Joe Feb 2022 #15
I didn't write the Nuremberg Laws ffs. Why did they include this statement in the Laws? Budi Feb 2022 #19
WOW !!! I'm reading what you're reading too and don't understand German logic on the issue. It ... uponit7771 Feb 2022 #43
Nazis may not have been bright but they were efficient dwayneb Feb 2022 #58
Jewish UK comedian and author David Baddiel totally disagrees Emrys Feb 2022 #18
I asked why the Nuremberg Laws included this Paragraphh. Budi Feb 2022 #20
I've written enough. Please reread. If you don't get it, please delete this thread. unblock Feb 2022 #22
I replied to your post above. Thanks. Its really all I asked about. Budi Feb 2022 #25
Several people here took offense. Rather than dismiss them as out of line, unblock Feb 2022 #28
No. The insensitivity was in the failure to read my 1st post asking why the Nurenberg Laws ... Budi Feb 2022 #33
As a non-Jewish outsider, seems thus: Hellbound Hellhound Feb 2022 #40
You're wrong. About me, my intent & my RACE & my belief. Budi Feb 2022 #41
This post "seems" to me to be the most shockingly offensive attack Hortensis Feb 2022 #61
"The fact that you're allowed to post here is a goddamn disgrace." Wha'? First.... George II Feb 2022 #72
Ummm. . .they are on the internet? I am Jewish. What's your point? AZLD4Candidate Feb 2022 #112
+1, "...I am owed an apology by a few here..." I agree. I lived in Germany and still never ... uponit7771 Feb 2022 #44
The parallels of Nazi bs to MAGA bs are indistinguishable Budi Feb 2022 #45
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 and scary as HELL as to how we've been frog boiled to accept their lingo like uponit7771 Feb 2022 #47
we've been frog boiled to accept their lingo like ... "cancel culture" Budi Feb 2022 #50
I took an opportunity to air what one Jew has said and written about the topic. Emrys Feb 2022 #60
His book is really good. Behind the Aegis Feb 2022 #31
Thank you for posting that video. Solly Mack Feb 2022 #71
Exactly! mountain grammy Feb 2022 #86
Jewish people who converted could still be forced to wear the star...and sent to the chambers... Xolodno Feb 2022 #26
Your statement just explained the unspoken mystery of my own ancestry Budi Feb 2022 #29
+1, wrote in a post before I read yours that like MAGA and "cancel culture" the dumb assed NAZIs ... uponit7771 Feb 2022 #46
Also from your link Behind the Aegis Feb 2022 #30
Right. So when they say Race, are they also exchanging the words race & Judaism Budi Feb 2022 #35
The passage describes the test they used to root out Jews Bad Thoughts Feb 2022 #38
Correct. I didn't write the paragraph. Budi Feb 2022 #39
Could the paragraph Omen78 Feb 2022 #48
It's identification Bad Thoughts Feb 2022 #53
Oh, they were OBSESSED with race, their master race, everyone else's. Hortensis Feb 2022 #57
This is starting to feel like a form of Holocaust Denial Sympthsical Feb 2022 #59
Starting??? retread Feb 2022 #63
It's a strong phrase, so I wanted to be careful in deploying it Sympthsical Feb 2022 #66
I'm sorry, this seems like a particularly bizarre hill to die on, in an apparent bullwinkle428 Feb 2022 #64
The OP is Jewish and I lived in Germany and still didn't understand their stupid assed logic when uponit7771 Feb 2022 #67
Where'd it say I was defending Whoopi, again? Budi Feb 2022 #70
As a child raised in a Jewish home, we attended religious education bullwinkle428 Feb 2022 #101
I absolutely agree that it should be part of a school cirriculum Budi Feb 2022 #103
Were Whoopi's comments poorly thought out? peggysue2 Feb 2022 #87
That is true about bringiing the conversation to the front. Budi Feb 2022 #106
Well, actually, I'm much more interested in knowing how Jews define themselves Mr. Scorpio Feb 2022 #65
Yes, seriously, fuck the Nazis. mountain grammy Feb 2022 #82
We Jews identify ourselves as Jews. AZLD4Candidate Feb 2022 #113
Brava for Whoopi for getting this topic out and on people's "let's discuss" list. rgbecker Feb 2022 #69
That is total bullshit. If that were the case, they would not have murdered those with Jewish Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #74
I didn't post it because I agree nor approve . Never ever said that did I. Budi Feb 2022 #85
I find an excuse for murderers which can be used today for would racist murderers... Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #90
Delete your post kcr Feb 2022 #78
Tell ya what. I'll just copy & paste the response I gave to the last one. Budi Feb 2022 #80
You are the one who needs to apologize kcr Feb 2022 #84
I didn't write the paragraph in the Natl Holocaust Museum article. Budi Feb 2022 #88
No, you didn't write it kcr Feb 2022 #89
Yes. THE ARTICLE AT THE LINK WAS AN INTERESTING READ. Budi Feb 2022 #94
Right kcr Feb 2022 #95
I didn't misinterpret it. I asked for it to be explained since it was a point I had not come across Budi Feb 2022 #96
Where in your post did you ask? kcr Feb 2022 #97
And THAT is the misinterpretation of those who ran with the pile on, Budi Feb 2022 #98
Yeah, didn't think you'd answer that kcr Feb 2022 #102
You took one line about "racial traits" and wrote, several times, as if that was "race" muriel_volestrangler Feb 2022 #91
You are quite wrong . Along with the one calling me a "holocaust denier". Budi Feb 2022 #93
I didn't say you agreed with it; I said you had changed "racial traits" in it into "race" muriel_volestrangler Feb 2022 #104
So... The next day and you are still 'just asking questions' Ohio Joe Feb 2022 #99
No. My question was answered by some who actually bothered to take the time. Budi Feb 2022 #100
huh? Didn't realize the Nuremberg laws were in denial.. msfiddlestix Feb 2022 #79
How does one inherit religion? Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #83
Thanks That is exactly why I posted the paragraph here. Budi Feb 2022 #92
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