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Torchlight

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37. All of them, some of them, or just a few of them?

Tue Feb 15, 2022, 05:51 PM

Feb 2022

"I have this feeling that old stratagems no longer apply."

All of them, some of them or just a few of them? Which ones? Specifically?
And precisely how have they become outdated?

I figure if we're going to throw the bathroom out along with the baby along with the bathwater, we should be supplied with a clear and consistent reason supported by data rather than hunches and feelings.

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Who is/are the Democratic outsider/s to run for president? [View all] SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2022 OP

Too Bad Vindmen Wasn't Born Here DanieRains Feb 2022 #1

I really like him too Mary in S. Carolina Feb 2022 #17

What's wrong with Kamala Harris? Ocelot II Feb 2022 #2

My 1st thought as well! Brainfodder Feb 2022 #4

What are her latest poll numbers ? left-of-center2012 Feb 2022 #11

Anyone running against Harris in the primary would NEVER EVER get past SC, come on people uponit7771 Feb 2022 #55

Ok left-of-center2012 Feb 2022 #56

Whomever doesn't get out of SC with black women doesn't get the national black vote ... uponit7771 Feb 2022 #58

Whatever left-of-center2012 Feb 2022 #60

"whatever" isn't a factual argument, people want to support this misogynist racist shit overlooking uponit7771 Feb 2022 #61

Okie dokie smokey left-of-center2012 Feb 2022 #62

I ask that every time and there's always Bettie Feb 2022 #15

Sadly, I think you're right. Ocelot II Feb 2022 #18

So people needed an excuse to not vote for Harris in the 2020 Primary? brooklynite Feb 2022 #46

Weird that it is the women who are always "uninspiring" Bettie Feb 2022 #47

I don't know about you, but there were plenty of white male candidates who were uninspiring... brooklynite Feb 2022 #57

+1, I found Clinton inspiring too uponit7771 Feb 2022 #59

Pretty much. The misogyny is powerful in America. Hekate Feb 2022 #65

Sadly true. Even amoung some who should know better. niyad Feb 2022 #71

She was my first choice during 2020 Victor_c3 Feb 2022 #28

Yep, its already past racist and sexist to overlook what we already have uponit7771 Feb 2022 #54

I can guarantee it won't be Mario Cuomo. Sneederbunk Feb 2022 #3

Because he's been dead for seven years? brooklynite Feb 2022 #6

Admittedly it plays a big part. Sneederbunk Feb 2022 #7

That does tend to detract from a candidate's electability. Ocelot II Feb 2022 #8

Still an easy choice against Trump jcgoldie Feb 2022 #42

In fact after further reflection jcgoldie Feb 2022 #44

Somewhat, though I wouldn't be surprised to see Republicans vote... BluesRunTheGame Feb 2022 #43

they truly are a Dead Man's Party Celerity Feb 2022 #48

That's one reason. Patterson Feb 2022 #38

Right? TheProle Feb 2022 #9

Did I say Mario? SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2022 #19

My understanding is that phylny Feb 2022 #49

VP usually has first dibs... WarGamer Feb 2022 #5

I think she'll have a lot of opponents in a Democratic primary left-of-center2012 Feb 2022 #12

She didn't do well... WarGamer Feb 2022 #13

How many candidates have run more than once, xmas74 Feb 2022 #63

Psst ... Xoan Feb 2022 #10

+1 lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #21

I like John Ossoff. cilla4progress Feb 2022 #14

If not Biden/Harris, Mary in S. Carolina Feb 2022 #16

I have this feeling that old stratagems no longer apply. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2022 #20

No and no...I think you should delete this myself. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #24

Actually what is required is winning the rust-belt...enough states in the electoral college period Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #25

All of them, some of them, or just a few of them? Torchlight Feb 2022 #37

I think that is not an issue right now at all. MineralMan Feb 2022 #22

Biden will run...you get a incumbent advantage. It would be madness to do anything else. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #23

Trashing Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #26

Sherrod Brown Mz Pip Feb 2022 #27

I like Brown too. But he didn't run in 2020 for a reason. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2022 #29

I think he knew he and Biden would be competing Sugarcoated Feb 2022 #34

JFC, can we get through the midterms and the current crises first? niyad Feb 2022 #30

Would love to. But... SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2022 #32

Your OP seems to be trashing/ignoring VP Harris. One wonders why that is. niyad Feb 2022 #35

My query is about outsiders who are Democrats SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2022 #40

ronnie and donnie showed us the wisdom of NOT picking people with little niyad Feb 2022 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2022 #41

We can think long-term and short-term at the Mary in S. Carolina Feb 2022 #33

Yes, we can. But there are vital issues which need to be dealt with right now. niyad Feb 2022 #36

My misogyny? SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2022 #50

Again, the fact that your OP completely ignored VP Harris. And you only niyad Feb 2022 #52

I'm asking. Who? n/t SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2022 #66

Just " asking questions". Sounds familiar, for some reason. niyad Feb 2022 #72

Gavin Newsom is a big target on the right for good reason. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2022 #31

Jon Tester, Senator from Montana? Patterson Feb 2022 #39

Some middle aged (40 to 60) white guy probably. Can I get a toast w/butter? JanMichael Feb 2022 #45

Why are you bypassing Harris? thx in advance uponit7771 Feb 2022 #53

Joe has not yet given his first State of the Union address. Why this? Why now? Hekate Feb 2022 #64

What does "outsiders" mean? Anti-Establishment populists? Trump was an outsider. betsuni Feb 2022 #67

The consensus appears to be... SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2022 #68

Why do you think "outsiders" need to be Democratic leaders? betsuni Feb 2022 #70

A great candidate we (who's "we?") aren't thinking about is exactly who I would pick DFW Feb 2022 #69

The one time insider who is a target of the left - Claire McCaskill. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2022 #73