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75. This kind of thing seems to happen everywhere
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 11:19 PM
Feb 2022

My wife was in a similar situation. She is a social worker, and had a decades-long job with a Protestant Church-affiliated organization that trained the difficult-case unemployed (the ones that social services decided they couldn't handle) and tried to place them back in the workforce. Her boss was a corrupt asshole with church connections, and so was never fired, even when it was discovered that he was ordering workers with the necessary skills to do home improvements on his house without pay. He always had a lackey to do his dirty work for him, and they always ended up getting screwed by him, tossed out on their ear when he determined they knew too much.

But my wife and the woman who was her co-worker knew WAY too much, and he couldn't fire them without strong cause, which they never gave him. So, he mobbed them, sometimes using really crude tactics. One morning, my wife came to work to find her files had been deleted from her work computer--a perfect pretext for the obvious inefficiency charge he could use to fire her. Instead, at the meeting of the management, she just told them that her files had been removed, she knew by whom and why, and they were to be back on her computer by the end of work that day. They never expected her to take such a confrontational stance, and mumbled something about a programming error. The files WERE back by the end of the day. This guy arranged for money to be missing from petty cash, and then firing employees/trainees for suspected theft. He was always covered by his church connections. He never forgave my wife for having cancer in 2001, and being out for much of the year. When she needed a heavy thyroid operation in 2012, she and her co-worker used the occasion to take early retirement, demand a big settlement (they had a really good labor lawyer on call), and quit at age 60. She lost her health insurance, and I had to jump in and pay for her insurance until she turned 65 (no, Virginia, Germany does NOT have universal health care). She got a really drastic cancer when she was 64, so this saved us. Luckily, the expert cancer team saved her as well.

I contrast this with my situation during the Cheney-Bush recession. When things got tight, all the top-paid people in the company took a (voluntary) 50% pay cut except the two co-CEOs, who went down to a $1 per year salary for the duration. This way, all the lower-echelon employees kept their jobs AND their salaries. We fired nobody (we are about 500 people worldwide, more than 400 of them in Dallas). Needless to say, since we only hire whom we really like, we have a really low turnover. We have women who are department heads and men who are department heads. Since it is not a rarity either way, no one really gives it a thought one way or the other.

In short, you have to make the best of what you can find, where you can find it. My wife wanted to punch her "snake" boss right in the throat on so many occasions, I lost count. Despite what some internet armchair warriors might tell you, Europe isn't always a worker's paradise, and Texas isn't always a worker's hell. For the record, I've spent more time in Iceland than I've spent in Kansas, so I have no clue what it is like there.

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My Daughter Was Fired Today [View all] rustysgurl Feb 2022 OP
So sorry to hear. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2022 #1
That stinks XanaDUer2 Feb 2022 #2
Tell her to get a lawyer. Sounds like she's got a good case... brush Feb 2022 #3
Maybe sign up for unemployment? SheltieLover Feb 2022 #6
I'd get the unemployment first as he might try to fight it if... brush Feb 2022 #8
Me too! SheltieLover Feb 2022 #10
There may be texts, emails also that should be saved. brush Feb 2022 #14
Great point! SheltieLover Feb 2022 #20
THIS. MontanaMama Feb 2022 #110
I am a retired lawyer. I don't think there's a case here absent a contract saying she won't be fired Shrike47 Feb 2022 #13
Sad, hard on most people, and standard. Hortensis Feb 2022 #23
This is the correct answer. She should speak with a lawyer. TomSlick Feb 2022 #32
It is a right to work state ...there is no recourse. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #78
See post 32. It never hurts to consult a good employment attorney. brush Feb 2022 #80
Then they might oppose unemployment as retaliation...and attorney's cost money. I live in Ohio- Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #85
So are you saying not to consult an expert employment lawyer... brush Feb 2022 #86
In a right to work state, I would not. I feel it would be a waste of money. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #87
See post 77. You never know. brush Feb 2022 #91
I would take the money and get a new job. That is just me. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #103
You are conflating "right to work" with "at-will employment." "Right to work" is a state rule that WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #94
Add "for retaliatory reasons" to discrimination and contractual obligations. Pacifist Patriot Feb 2022 #106
Unnnn, if he showed some kind of Animus towards women maybe uponit7771 Feb 2022 #89
IMO it wouldn't hurt to consult an expert employment lawyer. brush Feb 2022 #90
In an at will state inthewind21 Feb 2022 #100
Nice people get axed when a department is "reorganized" LakeArenal Feb 2022 #4
That's what it sounds like to me SheltieLover Feb 2022 #7
Sad but true...I lived a similar situation in 2009. Moostache Feb 2022 #22
The real sad part is that HR will protect him, and allow him to do what he does Dan Feb 2022 #5
HR no longer (if it ever did) exists to support or help the employee. CentralMass Feb 2022 #34
HR Zeitghost Feb 2022 #67
When it was called Personnel, they 90% backed the employee - HR is a leftover from Raygun years when Hestia Feb 2022 #102
On behalf of Safety Managers Safety Dawg Feb 2022 #9
So sorry this has happened to her SheltieLover Feb 2022 #11
If She Stayed modrepub Feb 2022 #12
She sounds like a solid, competent person. nilram Feb 2022 #15
Sometimes there things lead to a much better situation. Hoping Tomconroy Feb 2022 #16
Sorry, she's having to deal with this. hippywife Feb 2022 #17
Usually these kind of things have negative consequences for companies Hav Feb 2022 #18
Sounds like a really terrible boss! Desert grandma Feb 2022 #19
This sounds like a case of the new hatchet man needing to leave a few "bodies" somewhere to justify dameatball Feb 2022 #21
Never understood this frame of mind. 2Gingersnaps Feb 2022 #24
So sorry this happened! Chicagogrl1 Feb 2022 #25
This advice is absolutely the best jmbar2 Feb 2022 #41
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2022 #92
+1 ancianita Feb 2022 #98
Goodness, I would hope HR provided separation documentation! Pacifist Patriot Feb 2022 #107
Best advice. All of that. Do not give up until you have it all. LittleGirl Feb 2022 #109
Sorry, good riddance though... RANDYWILDMAN Feb 2022 #26
She should look for a new job & not try to save this one. CrispyQ Feb 2022 #27
So sorry for her. ificandream Feb 2022 #28
My son got fired about 18 months ago MOMFUDSKI Feb 2022 #29
He's a dinosaur. Administrators that think like him won't roam gldstwmn Feb 2022 #30
Don't hold your breath. CentralMass Feb 2022 #35
I've been in the work force for 44 years and am a keen reader of people. gldstwmn Feb 2022 #49
A decade from now what help the young lady losing her job. CentralMass Feb 2022 #56
Unless she is in a union, there is no recourse iemanja Feb 2022 #31
worked for a guy like that once upon a time. He drove people he didn't like out of demigoddess Feb 2022 #33
Just awful Busterscruggs Feb 2022 #36
She wouldn't have liked working for that prick anyway. Nows the time to find a BETTER job. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #37
This happened to me years ago. Almost identical circumstances. llmart Feb 2022 #38
It is unfair to say the least. Did they make her sign anything on the way out the door? waterwatcher123 Feb 2022 #39
A Mercy? FrankTC Feb 2022 #40
Welcome to DU, FrankTC! calimary Feb 2022 #44
I'm sorry to see this GreenEyedLefty Feb 2022 #42
What a jerk move on the part of him and the company. I would bet half the farm that guy LoisB Feb 2022 #43
I doubt that she can do anything about it radical noodle Feb 2022 #45
. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #59
Actually, employment law is primarily state-based. Ms. Toad Feb 2022 #66
Yes, employment law is primarily state-based. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #68
The concept of at-will employment is decided at the state level. Ms. Toad Feb 2022 #69
Yes... my bad radical noodle Feb 2022 #72
Most blue states are at will, too. LisaM Feb 2022 #84
Working remotely can decrease job security, giving advantage to Hortensis Feb 2022 #46
This is a layoff and she's getting unemployment. Not much you can do. Tell her to file ASAP. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #47
++ shitheads gonna shithead, but there is a bright side to this cadoman Feb 2022 #71
I took early retirement about a year before Covid hit slightlv Feb 2022 #48
Slim chance,.... magicarpet Feb 2022 #50
You are conflating "right to work" with "at-will employment." "Right to work" is a state rule that WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #58
Take the unemployment. hamsterjill Feb 2022 #51
I can feel her pain lonely bird Feb 2022 #52
Her husband Rebl2 Feb 2022 #53
No ... rustysgurl Feb 2022 #61
Oh. Okay. Rebl2 Feb 2022 #62
Sadly assholes in the workforce hurt people. live love laugh Feb 2022 #54
Severance in my experience iwillalwayswonderwhy Feb 2022 #55
I'm sorry she has to go through this situation. badhair77 Feb 2022 #57
K&R mvd Feb 2022 #60
Wife had similiar firing and my last job ended quite shitty too, a lot sounded very familiar! Brainfodder Feb 2022 #63
She'd be better off to take the severance and vacation pay. Fla Dem Feb 2022 #64
Thanks everyone rustysgurl Feb 2022 #65
I'm pretty sure retaliation is actionable. gldstwmn Feb 2022 #74
Can all of that be documented? Not sure what EEOC laws there are in Kansas, but there are a bunch... George II Feb 2022 #70
take the package and find a better job... hope she can find nicer bosses :) WarGamer Feb 2022 #73
This kind of thing seems to happen everywhere DFW Feb 2022 #75
She sounds like an excellent employee. EndlessWire Feb 2022 #76
PS! EndlessWire Feb 2022 #77
PPS! EndlessWire Feb 2022 #79
Did they 'downsize' the department or just her? Texin Feb 2022 #81
+1, especially if most of the job duties were kept and handed off to a single person uponit7771 Feb 2022 #93
Since they just posted her job on their website rustysgurl Feb 2022 #96
I am so sorry pandr32 Feb 2022 #82
Sorry but this is, for the most part, the way employment works in the U.S. mrsadm Feb 2022 #83
What a nightmare wendyb-NC Feb 2022 #88
People suck 1WorldHope Feb 2022 #95
Think long and hard about suing Jimbo S Feb 2022 #97
I'm sorry for your daughter. ancianita Feb 2022 #99
Back in the day musclecar6 Feb 2022 #101
Awful, but she's probably best out of it. BlackSkimmer Feb 2022 #104
Senior HR Professional here... Pacifist Patriot Feb 2022 #105
Find a new job and take as many coworkers as you can. The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #108
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