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leveymg

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Sat Oct 27, 2012, 11:42 AM Oct 2012

The September Surprise: Blowback from Benghazi threatens Obama’s Lead. [View all]

Last edited Sun Nov 4, 2012, 08:40 AM - Edit history (15)

Don't underestimate the power the fear of terrorism still has for many Americans. Blowback from Benghazi is not over - if anything, it's now churning around in the psyche of many Americans, gathering strength like a late season Atlantic hurricane.

Since the September 11 attack in Benghazi, a growing number of Americans have begun to question the Obama Administration’s veracity and competence in handling issues in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA). More than anything else there is the suspicion of a lack of candor. That is well-founded, but not for the reasons that Fox News and Mitt Romney have been suggesting.

In the immediate aftermath, most of that unease about the attack focused on accusations raised about the apparently inadequate security at the US Mission that night. (On edit, 10/28: Those suspicions have morphed and escalated into accusations that top national security officials, and even the President, were personally involved in decisions to not provide outside aid to Americans on the scene the night of the attack. Questions about that and allegations of White House stonewalling have ignited on Right-wing internet sites, and is seeping into more mainstream media. See, e.g., USA Today, David Jackson, "Obama rebuffs Benghazi questions." http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2012/10/27/obama-benghazi-denver-tv-station-libya/1662141/)

(On edit, 10/28: The greatest danger here, as in all things political is not the possible validity of the accusations, but the appearance of a coverup, fed by conflicting accounts by high officials. While it is unclear whether there is any validity to accusations that help was available but intentionally withheld -- which on its face appears both shocking and implausible -- the power of these allegations to mobilize a vast swath of Wingnutters is real. What gives this narrative power, however, is that there is an underlying truth that Administration officials prefer not to discuss. There is a bigger but more complex story lurking under the simplistic RW narrative that neither side in what is becoming a politicized game appears to be able to deal with candidly. So, in the absence of candor public suspicions grow and are spun into political fictions. In reality, as I argue, what is being covered up is simply a policy that was being carried out, the details of which are still classified. We now come to what that is.)

In recent weeks attention has begun to also fix on a wider set of questions about what Ambassador Chris Stevens was doing in Benghazi, and now on the Turkish (diplomat) who departed the compound just an hour before the attack commenced. That meeting appears to have been redacted on the copy of the Ambassador's hand-annotated itinerary that was found at the scene by reporters after the attack, posted at The Washington Post. See, http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/world/sensitive-documents-left-with-little-security-at-us-mission-in-benghazi/35/ The State Department waited nearly a month to reveal the fact that meeting had even occurred.

According to a transcript, on October 9, 2012 the State Department held a telephone conference to brief reporters on what happened in Benghazi, revealing a final meeting Ambassador Stevens had the night of September 11, 2012 shortly before the attack began. See, http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/10/198791.htm

That meeting went virtually unremarked upon until a retired CIA officer, Clare Lopez, published an article in which she (rightly or wrongly) raised questions about whether Ambassador Stevens had actually been meeting with the Turks about organizing and arming Libyan jihadis traveling to Syria.

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The Benghazi security issue seized upon by some House Republicans turns out to actually be a shiny object, a distraction from the far more dangerous issue of the U.S. policy of “regime change” in MENA. Regardless of the truth of Ms. Lopez's specific charges, both Libya and Syria involve serious, unresolved issues related to the Administration's conduct of covert regime change operations. So does Iran, but that project is less developed. Neither Party seem to be able to publicly address these regime change issues with anything approaching candor or internal consensus, and (it is hardly surprising, therefore, that) both candidates have gone out of their ways to avoid discussing it in any meaningful way.

The death of Chris Stevens forced the overarching issue of whether it was actually wise policy for the US Ambassador to have coordinated the armed opposition in tribal East Libya knowing that the place is swarming with al-Qaeda like groups, and that the region was the epicenter of Sunni suicide bombers who had until recently been going into civil war Iraq to kill Americans and the Shi'ia population there.

Even more pressing, Stevens and the Administration were well aware of the fact that Gadhaffi had tens of thousands of portable anti-aircraft missiles (MANPADs) that would most likely fall into the hands of these same groups when the regime was overthrown. Of course, they did, and about 15,000 MANPADs are now in circulation and landing in Syria, Gaza and on international black markets.

But, here's the kicker. The US and other western countries proceeded with regime change, anyway, some with the expectation that those fighters and weapons would eventually turn against the Syrian regime in the event that the Arab Spring insurrection would turn into a Sunni against Sh'ia religious civil war, which it did. That is exactly what has happened. The problem with that outcome, aside from the tens of thousands of people on both sides who have died in Syria, and the tens of thousands of Libyans who also died killing each other, was these weapons and Holy Warriors armed with SA-7 and SA-24 antiaircraft missiles cannot now be contained – they are the very angry Genie outside the Bottle -- and there is a very high risk they and their uncrated Libyan MANPADs will be coming to the Friendly Skies near you.

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But, the overarching policy issue of regime change at the cost of arming terrorists and plunging the region into religious war -- and the resulting blowback -- hasn't even begun to be discussed, and the consequences haven't yet been fully realized. We need to start having that conversation, openly, now.

I just wish it wasn't in the middle of an election, and that Mitt Romney and Rep. King -- who are utter hypocrites, and would not mind blood on their hands -- weren't grabbing ahold of these unfolding events to try to score political points.

I think the only way the Obama Administration is going to get out of this mess is with brutal candor.

The White House needs to reveal the unvarnished truth of what Ambassador Stevens was actually doing in Benghazi. If his last meeting with the Turkish Charge d'Affairs the evening of the attack was to try to reign in the Libyan fighters and weapons (particularly MANPADs) flowing to Syria, we need to know exactly what was discussed between 7:30 and 8:30pm along with what was said to the local militia leaders whom Stevens met with in downtown Benghazi at 4pm the previous afternoon.

If, however -- as has been surmised by some ex-CIA officers over the past couple of weeks -- the Ambassador was actually facilitating the continued flow of arms and fighters to Syria, the Administration needs to defend that policy. I rather think a large percentage of the American people will rally around him, even if I personally believe the policy is a terrible mistake.

Either way, a lack of candor may well sink Obama - which is exactly what I want to avoid, because Romney will only blindly escalate things into a regional war. If recent history is any guide, blowback from Benghazi risks turning Mitt Romney into the next wartime President, and America into an even meaner post-9/11 police state.

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P.S. - Like most of us here, I am also sick of RW spin and slanted polling. But, sometimes we shouldn't ignore the polls and the newspapers, even news we don't welcome. I am not making this up - the Benghazi attack has become a major, perhaps decisive issue, that has significantly undermined Obama's support, particularly among Independents. Here's a Pew Poll from a couple weeks ago that shows an 11 point drop in favorable opinion of the Administration's foreign policy since April. I wish were wrong, but nothing anyone has said in their comments shows me that the facts are otherwise. Look. I'm reporting facts, not making them up. A recent Pew Poll showed an 11 point loss due to public unease with spreading conflict in MENA and the attack. The American voters quite desperately want peace in the Middle East, and fear that is not what is to come.


http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/terrorism/262867-poll-independent-voters-fault-obamas-handling-of-libya-attack

The Hill:
Romney all but erases Obama's polling lead on foreign policy
By Julian Pecquet - 10/18/12 05:47 PM ET

Mitt Romney has all but erased President Obama’s lead on foreign policy issues in the aftermath of the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya, according to a Pew poll released Thursday.

Obama’s lead on foreign policy has plummeted by 11 points since the outbreak of violence in the Middle East that culminated with the death of four Americans in Libya on Sept. 11, according to Pew.

The president holds a slim 47 percent to 43 percent edge over his GOP rival on the issue of who would do a better job on foreign policy, down from a 15-point advantage in September.

The poll of 1,511 adults was conducted two weeks ago, and found that many Americans have soured on the situation in the Middle East: only 25 percent see a positive future for the region, down from 42 percent in April.

The change in mood is likely a result of the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi that killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans last month.

A separate Pew poll taken last week, also released Thursday, found that a large chunk of independent voters disapprove of Obama’s handling of the Libya situation, possibly helping Romney with a bloc of voters that could decide the election.
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This message was self-deleted by its author ItsTheMediaStupid Oct 2012 #1
Romney has been silent on Benghazi. speedoo Oct 2012 #2
Exactly!!! If Benghazi was damaging for Obama, Romney's people would be harping it. bluestate10 Oct 2012 #11
I'll see your exactly and raise you 2 exactly's!!! justiceischeap Oct 2012 #44
This is seen as a double-edged sword, so the Romney campaign is leaving it to some Rep. Congressmen leveymg Oct 2012 #15
Which congressmen is he "using"? speedoo Oct 2012 #41
There is no one talking about this other than you, Fox and GOP operatives. nt justiceischeap Oct 2012 #45
You mentioned just one congressman, who you said was saying the same as Romney muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #104
Same Republican members of the committess who were briefed by Petraeus who complained leveymg Oct 2012 #110
You mentioned nothing about them in the OP. What do they say about arms to Syria? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #116
I think the GOP is stuck in a dilemma: they want to score points, but not to upset the policy leveymg Oct 2012 #145
the M$M has not though hfojvt Oct 2012 #82
Romney gets intelligence briefings and so does Ryan, he knows what is really going on bklyncowgirl Oct 2012 #149
Why are you pimping this story here? ItsTheMediaStupid Oct 2012 #3
Dems need to understand that the perception of lack of candor endangers reelection. leveymg Oct 2012 #17
Yeah, yeah. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #30
Lack of candor? brush Oct 2012 #52
This isn't empty talk re embassy security. It's about Libyan SAMs and US regime change policy leveymg Oct 2012 #76
And are you saying that our Congress should be politicizing . . . brush Oct 2012 #111
The clowns who head House Commitees probably don't even read the docs they're given, but we do leveymg Oct 2012 #112
So through all your posts . . . brush Oct 2012 #117
BULLSHIT HANDWRINGING. CUT THE SILLY SHIT ALREADY. RBInMaine Oct 2012 #118
Denying it's importance as "silly" and denigrating my "handwringing" won't make this all go away. leveymg Oct 2012 #147
Please delete OP -- this really borders on conspiracy theories at this point justiceischeap Oct 2012 #4
That is exactly who is pushing this bs still_one Oct 2012 #7
Unfortunately, this isn't CT. Every word is true. Going into denial doesn't change the facts. leveymg Oct 2012 #22
It's bullshit. In fact ProSense Oct 2012 #28
READ THIS AGAIN, OKAY? It's CONDESCENDING BS. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #35
Agreed obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #78
The President has NOT tried to cover up anything. The rightwing talking point has been exactly that still_one Oct 2012 #5
Unfortunately, many details about risks taken in Libya and Syria regime change have been covered up leveymg Oct 2012 #29
Maybe you missed this ProSense Oct 2012 #6
I hate that guy just as much as you do. Now, go back and respond to the substance of the OP leveymg Oct 2012 #32
Knock off the "Lift that barge, tote that bale" imperative crap. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #38
Shove that Hannity Shit where the sun don't shine. mick063 Oct 2012 #8
Jake Tapper is covering this tarheel_voter Oct 2012 #13
Bullshit! n/t ProSense Oct 2012 #14
Posting tweets from Jake Tapper tarheel_voter Oct 2012 #18
Jake Tapper tweets tarheel_voter Oct 2012 #19
Who gives a shit about Jake Tapper tweets? ProSense Oct 2012 #23
CIA spox: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need;... justiceischeap Oct 2012 #33
That snippet of what was said is being spun like a tilt-a-whirl. Lone_Star_Dem Oct 2012 #74
LOL, yeah, Tapper is so neutral as to any bias against the President and Democrats...NOT... Spazito Oct 2012 #36
These facts have been around for weeks. The story is as it was laid out above. leveymg Oct 2012 #61
So why are you advising Democrats to touch it? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #105
Because the other side is spinning it like crazy, and that is having an impact. leveymg Oct 2012 #148
It's not just Hannity, anymore. This is a major story a lot of us are ignoring at our own peril leveymg Oct 2012 #34
Sorry, I'm not seeing any evidence of any blow-back on Benghazi...I call bs. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #9
It's just popping up in the US major media. Much of this has been covered abroad for weeks. leveymg Oct 2012 #37
The Times of London currently owned by Rupert Murdoch -- next? nt justiceischeap Oct 2012 #55
There are many, many sources that say Lybian MANPADs are now in Syria. That was the first. leveymg Oct 2012 #63
Keep reporting crap because you don't like the response you're getting. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #131
You mammothly overestimate the mental capacity of the electorate A-Schwarzenegger Oct 2012 #10
I was saying the same thing re the inability of GOP to exploit it. But, it's finally popped up. leveymg Oct 2012 #40
It's popped up in the hope-pod of your oblongota. A-Schwarzenegger Oct 2012 #51
Pathetic and right on cue. daligirl519 Oct 2012 #12
I've been here long enough so people know where I'm coming from. You haven't. leveymg Oct 2012 #42
Why are you spreading bullshit?? Oh, I forgot, you don't like Obama MjolnirTime Oct 2012 #16
I knocked 4000 doors in '08 for Obama and am doing DEM GOTV & Election Protection work this time. leveymg Oct 2012 #46
The messenger is spreading bullshit from Murdoch owned papers justiceischeap Oct 2012 #57
Unfortunately, the facts have been confirmed elsewhere, as in the State Dept transcript. Read it. leveymg Oct 2012 #59
Geez, this shit is only found on rabid right wing sites... Spazito Oct 2012 #20
It's gone mainstream on ABC. Not just Fox anymore. Be aware of what's coming. leveymg Oct 2012 #47
LOL, ABC aka Jake Tapper, more nonsense... Spazito Oct 2012 #58
Which part of this you don't believe? leveymg Oct 2012 #64
At this point, none of it... Spazito Oct 2012 #70
No one watches ABC - wake the hell up jsmirman Oct 2012 #83
Thank you for your concern. magical thyme Oct 2012 #21
Benghazi reflection Oct 2012 #24
If only you were right. I would love to be wrong, but I don't think so on this. leveymg Oct 2012 #48
Fodder only for the already-Romney-voter. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #25
Rmoney's disaster in the 3rd debate settled that question Motown_Johnny Oct 2012 #26
The Right Wing is saying The White House denied air support tarheel_voter Oct 2012 #50
Thank you for a most important post. Octafish Oct 2012 #27
Oh, aren't YOU the Clever Jack! WinkyDink Oct 2012 #39
If by 'clever' you mean 'aware,' then, yes and you should be, too. Octafish Oct 2012 #143
Denial is a typically fatal response to misunderstood dangers. leveymg Oct 2012 #49
That's why we're still here... Octafish Oct 2012 #144
Mitt Rmoney wants to thank you for your support. nt. Blue Idaho Oct 2012 #31
I think he'd rather we continue to keep our heads in the sand for another couple weeks. Meanwhile, leveymg Oct 2012 #53
I think the President would rather we spend more time Blue Idaho Oct 2012 #81
Thanks for making more hay out of a trumped up TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #43
If the RW is obsessed with it, that should tell you to take a closer look at it. Know thine enemy leveymg Oct 2012 #54
Bwaaa Haaaa! Yeah, and everyone should have given the rightwing birther crap.... Spazito Oct 2012 #60
You should always satisfy yourself that the story is, in fact, crap. This isn't - wish it was leveymg Oct 2012 #68
Actually, maybe you should have tried to find "other sourcing" BEFORE posting this... Spazito Oct 2012 #72
Here's a recent WSJ report leveymg Oct 2012 #98
Two things, first, yes, if it's a Murdoch production, it's garbage and, second... Spazito Oct 2012 #99
President Obama's Interview with Joe Scarborough and Mika Dalai_1 Oct 2012 #79
They're also obsessed with defending rape, Obama's birth certificate, TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #66
Why anybody would pimp this bullshit here is beyond me RomneyLies Oct 2012 #56
Pretty astounding, isn't it. emulatorloo Oct 2012 #91
WAY too complicated to 'infiltrate' average voter attention span... smackd Oct 2012 #62
Are you saying it should so "permeate"? WHY should it, HMMMMM?? WinkyDink Oct 2012 #67
oh, no...I don't think this has legs... smackd Oct 2012 #71
I hope you are right. But, not really that complicated. leveymg Oct 2012 #69
Those looking for something are not undecided. morningfog Oct 2012 #107
El toro poo poo!!!!! mfcorey1 Oct 2012 #65
El Toro Poo - SONG!! El Toro Poo Feb 2013 #150
I don't think anyone gives a flying f--- about doc03 Oct 2012 #73
ain't happenin' spanone Oct 2012 #75
bullshit bigtree Oct 2012 #77
Even Condi Rice disagrees with your OP obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #80
+1. But don't confuse him w the facts. emulatorloo Oct 2012 #92
..... obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #93
Condi has said nothing about Libyan MANPADs in Syria. But, the WSJ reported that most are from Lib. leveymg Oct 2012 #95
Even Condi Rice disagrees with your OP obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #97
Interesting opinions ... GeorgeGist Oct 2012 #84
Thanks for the thought provoking post. A little good news, if it helps. I heard a 10 min Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #85
I think Bengazi fizzled/backfired on Romney - that's why he doesn't bring it up anymore. reformist2 Oct 2012 #86
This reeks of political opportunism no matter who's peddling it. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #87
Okay, I went and read the state dept. transcript justiceischeap Oct 2012 #88
Look. I'm reporting facts, not making it up. Pew Poll showed 11 point loss due to MENA and attack leveymg Oct 2012 #100
This is fucking bullshit Republican spin and wishful thinking. emulatorloo Oct 2012 #89
voters aren't interested in this Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2012 #90
What a bunch of Puke BS. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #94
WND agrees with you. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #96
You should know better... ryan_cats Oct 2012 #101
"Gracious madam, I that do bring the news made not the match." leveymg Oct 2012 #103
What nonsense. ProSense Oct 2012 #109
What nonsense, Look in the mirror ryan_cats Oct 2012 #139
You're afraid people will stay home, so you favour spreading neocon propaganda? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #113
First we organized the Libyan Jihadis, then they traveled to Syria, now we are deterring them? leveymg Oct 2012 #122
Why are you pushing Clare Lopez's story, then? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #123
She is a convenient hook for a story. I don't endorse her conclusion, but agree that we haven't leveymg Oct 2012 #126
Your 'solution' is to say "we've been covering things up"? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #129
If it were just Lopez, it would be easy to ignore and not worth commenting on. leveymg Oct 2012 #130
Oh, yes, I mean, Glenn Beck is saying it too, not to mention Newsmax muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #137
Yes the voters can be dumb treestar Oct 2012 #102
I'm not saying this crowd can be swayed by events, but that the American people have already been. leveymg Oct 2012 #106
This is RW bullshit ProSense Oct 2012 #108
Then why did it take a month to reveal who the Ambassador met that night, and why has the Under leveymg Oct 2012 #119
Let me get this straight ProSense Oct 2012 #121
Don't twist yourself into a pretzel trying to misrepresent my words and meaning. leveymg Oct 2012 #124
Please ProSense Oct 2012 #125
Someone has to say it, even if you don't want to hear it. leveymg Oct 2012 #127
Why should it do that? treestar Oct 2012 #115
I didn't say disclosure and candor wasn't without risk. Just that there are big risks on the other leveymg Oct 2012 #120
Sounds like a Dick Cheney Outs Valerie Plame Plan. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #135
PETRAEUS won't save them UTUSN Oct 2012 #114
If nothing else, this thread shows pintobean Oct 2012 #128
Nobody is "freak[ing] out." But it's good to see you think the OP is out to "change...vote[s]." Heh. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #133
No, I don't think the OP is out to change votes pintobean Oct 2012 #136
"Either way, a lack of candor may well sink Obama" ProSense Oct 2012 #138
Sadly, I've come to the conclusion that you may be.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #132
Who the hell are you to tell someone to hit the door? ryan_cats Oct 2012 #140
I'm not saying the OP is a troll justiceischeap Oct 2012 #142
"Blowback from Benghazi threatens Obama’s Lead" No it doesn't... ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2012 #134
Stop reading when you see these two words: Pew Poll Samantha Oct 2012 #141
The Pew poll is old now. Jennicut Oct 2012 #146
This article is bunk. nt ladjf Feb 2013 #151
Are you researching me, or something? What's bunk? I was proved wrong that this didn't become a leveymg Feb 2013 #152
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