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leveymg

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124. Don't twist yourself into a pretzel trying to misrepresent my words and meaning.

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 04:14 PM

Oct 2012

I can assure you, the RW and the neocons would like nothing better than to see all the MANPADs in Libya shipped to Syria and that they all be used to entirely knock out the Syrian AF and the regime overthrown henceforth, beginning November 7, regardless of outcome. Their Saudi allies who are putting up the money for the Holy Crusade in Syria would like nothing better than the wholesale removal or liquidation of the Alawite sect, which they see as apostates.

I can assure you, I am trying to avoid that eventuality, and see the potential sinking of Obama as only hastening that genocidal outcome.

Let me ask you this, why do think we've heard so little up until very recently about the 15,000 MANPADs that are now loose and in the hands of Sunni militias in several countries? Following that story back to the regime change operation in Libya and forward to Syria and elsewhere is not a career path for anyone working in major media, which is why we haven't seen many try.

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The September Surprise: Blowback from Benghazi threatens Obama�s Lead. [View all] leveymg Oct 2012 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author ItsTheMediaStupid Oct 2012 #1

Romney has been silent on Benghazi. speedoo Oct 2012 #2

Exactly!!! If Benghazi was damaging for Obama, Romney's people would be harping it. bluestate10 Oct 2012 #11

I'll see your exactly and raise you 2 exactly's!!! justiceischeap Oct 2012 #44

This is seen as a double-edged sword, so the Romney campaign is leaving it to some Rep. Congressmen leveymg Oct 2012 #15

Which congressmen is he "using"? speedoo Oct 2012 #41

There is no one talking about this other than you, Fox and GOP operatives. nt justiceischeap Oct 2012 #45

You mentioned just one congressman, who you said was saying the same as Romney muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #104

Same Republican members of the committess who were briefed by Petraeus who complained leveymg Oct 2012 #110

You mentioned nothing about them in the OP. What do they say about arms to Syria? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #116

I think the GOP is stuck in a dilemma: they want to score points, but not to upset the policy leveymg Oct 2012 #145

the M$M has not though hfojvt Oct 2012 #82

Romney gets intelligence briefings and so does Ryan, he knows what is really going on bklyncowgirl Oct 2012 #149

Why are you pimping this story here? ItsTheMediaStupid Oct 2012 #3

Dems need to understand that the perception of lack of candor endangers reelection. leveymg Oct 2012 #17

Yeah, yeah. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #30

Lack of candor? brush Oct 2012 #52

This isn't empty talk re embassy security. It's about Libyan SAMs and US regime change policy leveymg Oct 2012 #76

And are you saying that our Congress should be politicizing . . . brush Oct 2012 #111

The clowns who head House Commitees probably don't even read the docs they're given, but we do leveymg Oct 2012 #112

So through all your posts . . . brush Oct 2012 #117

BULLSHIT HANDWRINGING. CUT THE SILLY SHIT ALREADY. RBInMaine Oct 2012 #118

Denying it's importance as "silly" and denigrating my "handwringing" won't make this all go away. leveymg Oct 2012 #147

Please delete OP -- this really borders on conspiracy theories at this point justiceischeap Oct 2012 #4

That is exactly who is pushing this bs still_one Oct 2012 #7

Unfortunately, this isn't CT. Every word is true. Going into denial doesn't change the facts. leveymg Oct 2012 #22

It's bullshit. In fact ProSense Oct 2012 #28

READ THIS AGAIN, OKAY? It's CONDESCENDING BS. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #35

Agreed obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #78

The President has NOT tried to cover up anything. The rightwing talking point has been exactly that still_one Oct 2012 #5

Unfortunately, many details about risks taken in Libya and Syria regime change have been covered up leveymg Oct 2012 #29

Maybe you missed this ProSense Oct 2012 #6

I hate that guy just as much as you do. Now, go back and respond to the substance of the OP leveymg Oct 2012 #32

Knock off the "Lift that barge, tote that bale" imperative crap. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #38

Shove that Hannity Shit where the sun don't shine. mick063 Oct 2012 #8

Jake Tapper is covering this tarheel_voter Oct 2012 #13

Bullshit! n/t ProSense Oct 2012 #14

Posting tweets from Jake Tapper tarheel_voter Oct 2012 #18

Jake Tapper tweets tarheel_voter Oct 2012 #19

Who gives a shit about Jake Tapper tweets? ProSense Oct 2012 #23

CIA spox: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need;... justiceischeap Oct 2012 #33

That snippet of what was said is being spun like a tilt-a-whirl. Lone_Star_Dem Oct 2012 #74

LOL, yeah, Tapper is so neutral as to any bias against the President and Democrats...NOT... Spazito Oct 2012 #36

These facts have been around for weeks. The story is as it was laid out above. leveymg Oct 2012 #61

So why are you advising Democrats to touch it? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #105

Because the other side is spinning it like crazy, and that is having an impact. leveymg Oct 2012 #148

It's not just Hannity, anymore. This is a major story a lot of us are ignoring at our own peril leveymg Oct 2012 #34

Sorry, I'm not seeing any evidence of any blow-back on Benghazi...I call bs. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #9

It's just popping up in the US major media. Much of this has been covered abroad for weeks. leveymg Oct 2012 #37

The Times of London currently owned by Rupert Murdoch -- next? nt justiceischeap Oct 2012 #55

There are many, many sources that say Lybian MANPADs are now in Syria. That was the first. leveymg Oct 2012 #63

Keep reporting crap because you don't like the response you're getting. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #131

You mammothly overestimate the mental capacity of the electorate A-Schwarzenegger Oct 2012 #10

I was saying the same thing re the inability of GOP to exploit it. But, it's finally popped up. leveymg Oct 2012 #40

It's popped up in the hope-pod of your oblongota. A-Schwarzenegger Oct 2012 #51

Pathetic and right on cue. daligirl519 Oct 2012 #12

I've been here long enough so people know where I'm coming from. You haven't. leveymg Oct 2012 #42

Why are you spreading bullshit?? Oh, I forgot, you don't like Obama MjolnirTime Oct 2012 #16

I knocked 4000 doors in '08 for Obama and am doing DEM GOTV & Election Protection work this time. leveymg Oct 2012 #46

The messenger is spreading bullshit from Murdoch owned papers justiceischeap Oct 2012 #57

Unfortunately, the facts have been confirmed elsewhere, as in the State Dept transcript. Read it. leveymg Oct 2012 #59

Geez, this shit is only found on rabid right wing sites... Spazito Oct 2012 #20

It's gone mainstream on ABC. Not just Fox anymore. Be aware of what's coming. leveymg Oct 2012 #47

LOL, ABC aka Jake Tapper, more nonsense... Spazito Oct 2012 #58

Which part of this you don't believe? leveymg Oct 2012 #64

At this point, none of it... Spazito Oct 2012 #70

No one watches ABC - wake the hell up jsmirman Oct 2012 #83

Thank you for your concern. magical thyme Oct 2012 #21

Benghazi reflection Oct 2012 #24

If only you were right. I would love to be wrong, but I don't think so on this. leveymg Oct 2012 #48

Fodder only for the already-Romney-voter. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #25

Rmoney's disaster in the 3rd debate settled that question Motown_Johnny Oct 2012 #26

The Right Wing is saying The White House denied air support tarheel_voter Oct 2012 #50

Thank you for a most important post. Octafish Oct 2012 #27

Oh, aren't YOU the Clever Jack! WinkyDink Oct 2012 #39

If by 'clever' you mean 'aware,' then, yes and you should be, too. Octafish Oct 2012 #143

Denial is a typically fatal response to misunderstood dangers. leveymg Oct 2012 #49

That's why we're still here... Octafish Oct 2012 #144

Mitt Rmoney wants to thank you for your support. nt. Blue Idaho Oct 2012 #31

I think he'd rather we continue to keep our heads in the sand for another couple weeks. Meanwhile, leveymg Oct 2012 #53

I think the President would rather we spend more time Blue Idaho Oct 2012 #81

Thanks for making more hay out of a trumped up TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #43

If the RW is obsessed with it, that should tell you to take a closer look at it. Know thine enemy leveymg Oct 2012 #54

Bwaaa Haaaa! Yeah, and everyone should have given the rightwing birther crap.... Spazito Oct 2012 #60

You should always satisfy yourself that the story is, in fact, crap. This isn't - wish it was leveymg Oct 2012 #68

Actually, maybe you should have tried to find "other sourcing" BEFORE posting this... Spazito Oct 2012 #72

Here's a recent WSJ report leveymg Oct 2012 #98

Two things, first, yes, if it's a Murdoch production, it's garbage and, second... Spazito Oct 2012 #99

President Obama's Interview with Joe Scarborough and Mika Dalai_1 Oct 2012 #79

They're also obsessed with defending rape, Obama's birth certificate, TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #66

Why anybody would pimp this bullshit here is beyond me RomneyLies Oct 2012 #56

Pretty astounding, isn't it. emulatorloo Oct 2012 #91

WAY too complicated to 'infiltrate' average voter attention span... smackd Oct 2012 #62

Are you saying it should so "permeate"? WHY should it, HMMMMM?? WinkyDink Oct 2012 #67

oh, no...I don't think this has legs... smackd Oct 2012 #71

I hope you are right. But, not really that complicated. leveymg Oct 2012 #69

Those looking for something are not undecided. morningfog Oct 2012 #107

El toro poo poo!!!!! mfcorey1 Oct 2012 #65

El Toro Poo - SONG!! El Toro Poo Feb 2013 #150

I don't think anyone gives a flying f--- about doc03 Oct 2012 #73

ain't happenin' spanone Oct 2012 #75

bullshit bigtree Oct 2012 #77

Even Condi Rice disagrees with your OP obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #80

+1. But don't confuse him w the facts. emulatorloo Oct 2012 #92

..... obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #93

Condi has said nothing about Libyan MANPADs in Syria. But, the WSJ reported that most are from Lib. leveymg Oct 2012 #95

Even Condi Rice disagrees with your OP obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #97

Interesting opinions ... GeorgeGist Oct 2012 #84

Thanks for the thought provoking post. A little good news, if it helps. I heard a 10 min Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #85

I think Bengazi fizzled/backfired on Romney - that's why he doesn't bring it up anymore. reformist2 Oct 2012 #86

This reeks of political opportunism no matter who's peddling it. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #87

Okay, I went and read the state dept. transcript justiceischeap Oct 2012 #88

Look. I'm reporting facts, not making it up. Pew Poll showed 11 point loss due to MENA and attack leveymg Oct 2012 #100

This is fucking bullshit Republican spin and wishful thinking. emulatorloo Oct 2012 #89

voters aren't interested in this Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2012 #90

What a bunch of Puke BS. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #94

WND agrees with you. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #96

You should know better... ryan_cats Oct 2012 #101

"Gracious madam, I that do bring the news made not the match." leveymg Oct 2012 #103

What nonsense. ProSense Oct 2012 #109

What nonsense, Look in the mirror ryan_cats Oct 2012 #139

You're afraid people will stay home, so you favour spreading neocon propaganda? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #113

First we organized the Libyan Jihadis, then they traveled to Syria, now we are deterring them? leveymg Oct 2012 #122

Why are you pushing Clare Lopez's story, then? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #123

She is a convenient hook for a story. I don't endorse her conclusion, but agree that we haven't leveymg Oct 2012 #126

Your 'solution' is to say "we've been covering things up"? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #129

If it were just Lopez, it would be easy to ignore and not worth commenting on. leveymg Oct 2012 #130

Oh, yes, I mean, Glenn Beck is saying it too, not to mention Newsmax muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #137

Yes the voters can be dumb treestar Oct 2012 #102

I'm not saying this crowd can be swayed by events, but that the American people have already been. leveymg Oct 2012 #106

This is RW bullshit ProSense Oct 2012 #108

Then why did it take a month to reveal who the Ambassador met that night, and why has the Under leveymg Oct 2012 #119

Let me get this straight ProSense Oct 2012 #121

Don't twist yourself into a pretzel trying to misrepresent my words and meaning. leveymg Oct 2012 #124

Please ProSense Oct 2012 #125

Someone has to say it, even if you don't want to hear it. leveymg Oct 2012 #127

Why should it do that? treestar Oct 2012 #115

I didn't say disclosure and candor wasn't without risk. Just that there are big risks on the other leveymg Oct 2012 #120

Sounds like a Dick Cheney Outs Valerie Plame Plan. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #135

PETRAEUS won't save them UTUSN Oct 2012 #114

If nothing else, this thread shows pintobean Oct 2012 #128

Nobody is "freak[ing] out." But it's good to see you think the OP is out to "change...vote[s]." Heh. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #133

No, I don't think the OP is out to change votes pintobean Oct 2012 #136

"Either way, a lack of candor may well sink Obama" ProSense Oct 2012 #138

Sadly, I've come to the conclusion that you may be.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #132

Who the hell are you to tell someone to hit the door? ryan_cats Oct 2012 #140

I'm not saying the OP is a troll justiceischeap Oct 2012 #142

"Blowback from Benghazi threatens Obama�s Lead" No it doesn't... ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2012 #134

Stop reading when you see these two words: Pew Poll Samantha Oct 2012 #141

The Pew poll is old now. Jennicut Oct 2012 #146

This article is bunk. nt ladjf Feb 2013 #151

Are you researching me, or something? What's bunk? I was proved wrong that this didn't become a leveymg Feb 2013 #152