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Fiendish Thingy

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55. And with all that power, the US still hesitates to use it to defend Ukraine

Sun Mar 13, 2022, 01:14 AM

Mar 2022

You think Article five will provide the courage needed to over come the fear that Putin might use nukes if NATO interferes with his invasion of the Baltic states?

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President Biden: "We will not fight the third world war in Ukraine." [View all] Polybius Mar 2022 OP

I'm glad adults are in charge now. Elessar Zappa Mar 2022 #1

Or anyone that's a hawk Polybius Mar 2022 #2

He would have put his son in law and Stephen miller in charge. MLAA Mar 2022 #14

I get what he means, but that clip may not hold up well. Renew Deal Mar 2022 #3

Then it will be fought in the not too distant future, if Putin remains in power Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #4

Putin doesn't have the resources Elessar Zappa Mar 2022 #5

He could easily take one or more of the Baltics. Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #6

And the answer should remain the same Polybius Mar 2022 #8

If that's true, then NATO article 5 is worthless Deminpenn Mar 2022 #10

There is no winning a nuclear war madville Mar 2022 #12

Putin knows this, too. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #26

So the world should just cave to Putin on everything because "nukes" Calculating Mar 2022 #18

If The Mountain (6'9 strongman) challenged me to a fight, am I a coward for running? Polybius Mar 2022 #38

Nothing is worth a nuclear war madville Mar 2022 #11

Then Putin shall rule the world. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #17

this is one of the more OTT claims I have seen since this whole nasty adventure started Celerity Mar 2022 #32

I was responding to the poster who stated nothing is worth risking a nuclear war Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #33

yes, Article 5 will be invoked if he attacks a NATO member, which is why I highly doubt he does Celerity Mar 2022 #37

How would a piece of paper give NATO the moral courage currently lacking? Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #56

It isn't just a 'piece of paper'. It's a binding treaty, arguably the most important on the planet. Celerity Mar 2022 #59

Putin has threatened to ignore existing treaties and build more nukes Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #72

Ukraine is not a member of NATO. Justice matters. Mar 2022 #61

But the US isn't staying out of Ukraine because they aren't NATO members Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #75

Chechnya is part of Russia and is not a neighbour (as in no border, not even close) Celerity Mar 2022 #78

OK, bad random example, but you get my point. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #84

Ok, just give Putin Europe then Calculating Mar 2022 #19

Wow!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #29

Zelenskyy thinks putin is bluffing. I trust his opinion. I hope he is right. HUAJIAO Mar 2022 #30

Of course Zelenskyy says that Polybius Mar 2022 #40

I think that the argument breaks down to two choices EndlessWire Mar 2022 #48

Life won't be worth living... Mariana Mar 2022 #53

Are you going? EndlessWire Mar 2022 #60

"Easily?" I belive you underestimate the power of the United States, muchless NATO. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #24

I never thought they would shoot up a nuclear reactor EndlessWire Mar 2022 #49

And with all that power, the US still hesitates to use it to defend Ukraine Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #55

Of course it does. It has no treaty or obligation do so. We are arming them pretty well, though. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #57

We shall find out in due time Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #58

Uh...CIC Joe Biden already sent troops & materials (planes) Justice matters. Mar 2022 #62

There is a lot of over-estimation of the power of the Russian military on DU. nt Gore1FL Mar 2022 #65

Yes. I wish DUers would calm down their anxiety. Justice matters. Mar 2022 #66

Jeez, I remember training with the Russian Army's equivalent of combat engineers MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #70

If that is true, then why isn't the US fighting in Ukraine? Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #74

You left out... or just ignored the "unless he wants to commit suicide and take life on earth down Justice matters. Mar 2022 #81

I doubt article 5 will be tested. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #64

Based on what?? USALiberal Mar 2022 #22

Fear and emotion. It's rampant around DU. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #28

OK, sorry, I am 100% agree with you. He's not gonna nuke anybody USALiberal Mar 2022 #31

No need to apologize to me. I posted in support of the question in your post. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #36

Have you told your family yet you decided they were expendable? Kaleva Mar 2022 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author USALiberal Mar 2022 #73

Eerily reminiscent ymetca Mar 2022 #7

Japan attacked OUR naval forces there. Justice matters. Mar 2022 #63

I suppose Biden's trying to reassure the stock, Deminpenn Mar 2022 #9

Played out the sanctions? It's been 2 weeks NickB79 Mar 2022 #16

Ukraine will be a wasteland by the time the sanctions work Calculating Mar 2022 #21

The only way to get immediate action is a NATO invasion NickB79 Mar 2022 #35

At the risk of sounding scared EndlessWire Mar 2022 #50

That's the right message to send now. David__77 Mar 2022 #13

I agree the right stance to take even tho republicans will not back him up FloridaBlues Mar 2022 #15

The Trump wing might back him up Polybius Mar 2022 #41

I'd like to know if that statement was strategized, planned... Grasswire2 Mar 2022 #20

We did not make that promise. former9thward Mar 2022 #27

They were incredibly foolish to give up all their nukes Polybius Mar 2022 #42

That is true. Agreement to protect but not a treaty. So we don't HAVE Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2022 #44

UK also signed Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2022 #45

We'll fight another proxy war, though. maxsolomon Mar 2022 #23

"No one really knows what weapons will be used to fight World War III --- but struggle4progress Mar 2022 #25

If not in Ukraine..where? Deuxcents Mar 2022 #34

If not us, who? Grasswire2 Mar 2022 #51

I like the policy MoonlitKnight Mar 2022 #39

So, it's either WW III or what we have now? n/t XiJung Mar 2022 #43

Rule no. 1 is strategy.... Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #46

I agree. Grasswire2 Mar 2022 #52

Imo, right now Americans are just generally anxious Deminpenn Mar 2022 #68

The red line is there, which is attacks on NATO. Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #69

Nah... just say no intervention at this time... Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #77

Thank you Deminpenn Mar 2022 #79

Or, he meant that any war would only not take place in Ukraine. MineralMan Mar 2022 #83

Remember This: Biden is a "CLASS ACT" with a whole lot of "WORLD EXPERIENCE" Stuart G Mar 2022 #47

Most accurate WW3 prediction I've seen so far :) Renew Deal Mar 2022 #54

IM DEAD!!! Lmao In It to Win It Mar 2022 #76

That is his public statement. That is his intention. MineralMan Mar 2022 #71

That is exactly why Biden could have added "at this time" Deminpenn Mar 2022 #80

You know, I'll bet he thought of that, so it was deliberate. MineralMan Mar 2022 #82