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Torchlight

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52. I think if Moscow doesn't achieve a tactical, media victory by end-of-April, it's over.

Mon Mar 14, 2022, 07:34 PM

Mar 2022

Heck, even now I suspect Putin is already looking for some face-saving excuses to justify a military draw-down or detent.

From appearances, the Russian people are walking the edge of an abyss right now, and if they fall one way or the other, Putin could become a variation of Nicolae Ceaușescu's ultimate fate. Probably not as gruesome or violent, but a well-timed tincture in his morning tea or he sits on a tipped-needle; it only takes one person with access (yes, I know Putin is a paranoid man-- but I think every person presents themselves as a target when we least expects it).

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Preparing for Defeat [View all] elleng Mar 2022 OP

Thx for posting PortTack Mar 2022 #1

Lessons unheeded bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #2

"They only fight like Stalingrad when they're in Stalingrad. " - and there's no where else to go. erronis Mar 2022 #20

They made it to Berlin. Knock what they are doing now, not then. marie999 Mar 2022 #37

True, but then again Hitler was about as incompetent a strategist thucythucy Mar 2022 #64

Holy crap PatSeg Mar 2022 #3

They can wear the dress uniforms when their bodies are shipped back to Moscow for burial. sop Mar 2022 #4

I'll bet they never thought of that. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #6

I think most of them had no idea PatSeg Mar 2022 #8

Many thought it was just "exercises" is what I've seen. Then they were asked to invade and kill. Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #34

Yes, that is what I heard as well PatSeg Mar 2022 #42

Yes, collateral damage in Putin's PatSeg Mar 2022 #7

The mobile cremation units will solve the problem. And anybody inside a Javelin-hit tank .... albacore Mar 2022 #9

Moscow (putin) doesn't want to see these "losers" (quoting trump). erronis Mar 2022 #22

No flag-draped coffins for these soldiers PatSeg Mar 2022 #38

I wonder if that's why they've been able to kia so many generals. NightWatcher Mar 2022 #32

You know, that could be the case PatSeg Mar 2022 #35

Thank You for Posting..K & R Stuart G Mar 2022 #5

I hope that assessment is correct JohnSJ Mar 2022 #10

I don't know who wrote this and I'm not clicking on the link to find out. L. Coyote Mar 2022 #41

So what would this catastrophic defeat look like? Chainfire Mar 2022 #11

Those Numbers Are Deceiving modrepub Mar 2022 #14

I agree with what you are saying, but you seem to believe that Russian leaders have any qualms about Chainfire Mar 2022 #15

History Is Full Of Dictators Who Overplayed Their Hand modrepub Mar 2022 #18

Well certainly leaders fail. Chainfire Mar 2022 #25

Just looked it up, Russia's population is 144m (2020). brush Mar 2022 #26

That may change depending on what number 8 on your list decides to do if P gets in a jam. Chainfire Mar 2022 #27

Thanks. I had to edit. It's not in the top 8. It's number 9. brush Mar 2022 #36

So far, mercenaries from Syria, Chechnya, and South Africa? keithbvadu2 Mar 2022 #16

Yes, that is scary. War hardened military as opposed to the raw Russian recruits. LiberalLovinLug Mar 2022 #28

The elite troops are being held back as a "palace guard" - when things get rough in the old USSR. erronis Mar 2022 #24

It's called ... Straw Man Mar 2022 #43

Large exercises in Norway are getting going right now relayerbob Mar 2022 #62

From your keyboard, 3Hotdogs Mar 2022 #12

From your keyboard to karma's ear! SheltieLover Mar 2022 #13

One would hope this to be accurate. n/t. NNadir Mar 2022 #17

The neocon (ex?) Francis Fukuyama does not exactly have the greatest predictive track record. Celerity Mar 2022 #33

Thanks. I didn't notice it was him. I almost logged into a lecture he was giving but happily... NNadir Mar 2022 #44

lol Celerity Mar 2022 #45

Icing on the cake..... multigraincracker Mar 2022 #19

...and people fighting over sugar in Moscow. roamer65 Mar 2022 #21

Shoot, people were fighting over toilet paper here not too long ago. BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #23

good point. We are a very aggressive, selfish lot. Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #39

This is a very good piece by Fukuyama. I remember his involvement with the NeoCons /Reagan erronis Mar 2022 #29

The Russian and Chinese strategies in WW2 were to trade land for time AZLD4Candidate Mar 2022 #30

My sons are rappers. They bought a lot of their beats from a young man from Russia. Mr. Ected Mar 2022 #31

He may be right about all of this, I have no way of knowing FakeNoose Mar 2022 #40

No XiJung Mar 2022 #46

LOL honest.abe Mar 2022 #49

Really, which parts? n/t XiJung Mar 2022 #51

Really, which parts support your comment? honest.abe Mar 2022 #54

All of them XiJung Mar 2022 #56

LOL.. I thought so. honest.abe Mar 2022 #57

You think that? n/t XiJung Mar 2022 #58

I am done with you once again. honest.abe Mar 2022 #59

Don't go away mad XiJung Mar 2022 #63

Be careful of wishful thinking n/t XiJung Mar 2022 #53

Putin should be preparing for defeat. CaptainTruth Mar 2022 #47

He's already lost. honest.abe Mar 2022 #48

One month from now, fill us on on how this prediction went dwayneb Mar 2022 #50

Pulverizing Ukraine is not winning. honest.abe Mar 2022 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #60

I think if Moscow doesn't achieve a tactical, media victory by end-of-April, it's over. Torchlight Mar 2022 #52

Thanks for the link to the article relayerbob Mar 2022 #61