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thucythucy

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64. True, but then again Hitler was about as incompetent a strategist
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 11:51 PM
Mar 2022

and military planner as, well, as Putin.

All "his" early victories were the result of German General Staff planning and preparation.

One by one all his most competent generals were forced to retire or were shuffled from front to front whenever they defied Hitler's absurd orders to hold everywhere and always. By 1943 a group of them were actively planning to kill him.

Not to mention, the Russians did have some help. The US, Britain and Canada supplied military equipment worth hundreds of billions in today's dollars. Such aid is unlikely to come from anywhere to help Russia subjugate Ukraine. A mob of Syrian mercenaries and press-ganged conscripts hardly qualify. Nor is anyone likely to stage a Normandy style landing or conduct a bombing campaign to divert Ukrainian ground and air forces from its eastern front.

Finally, it should be noted that a lot of those "Russians" who fought their way to Berlin, officers and enlisted, happened actually to be Ukrainians.

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Preparing for Defeat [View all] elleng Mar 2022 OP
Thx for posting PortTack Mar 2022 #1
Lessons unheeded bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #2
"They only fight like Stalingrad when they're in Stalingrad. " - and there's no where else to go. erronis Mar 2022 #20
They made it to Berlin. Knock what they are doing now, not then. marie999 Mar 2022 #37
True, but then again Hitler was about as incompetent a strategist thucythucy Mar 2022 #64
Holy crap PatSeg Mar 2022 #3
They can wear the dress uniforms when their bodies are shipped back to Moscow for burial. sop Mar 2022 #4
I'll bet they never thought of that. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #6
I think most of them had no idea PatSeg Mar 2022 #8
Many thought it was just "exercises" is what I've seen. Then they were asked to invade and kill. Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #34
Yes, that is what I heard as well PatSeg Mar 2022 #42
Yes, collateral damage in Putin's PatSeg Mar 2022 #7
The mobile cremation units will solve the problem. And anybody inside a Javelin-hit tank .... albacore Mar 2022 #9
Moscow (putin) doesn't want to see these "losers" (quoting trump). erronis Mar 2022 #22
No flag-draped coffins for these soldiers PatSeg Mar 2022 #38
I wonder if that's why they've been able to kia so many generals. NightWatcher Mar 2022 #32
You know, that could be the case PatSeg Mar 2022 #35
Thank You for Posting..K & R Stuart G Mar 2022 #5
I hope that assessment is correct JohnSJ Mar 2022 #10
I don't know who wrote this and I'm not clicking on the link to find out. L. Coyote Mar 2022 #41
So what would this catastrophic defeat look like? Chainfire Mar 2022 #11
Those Numbers Are Deceiving modrepub Mar 2022 #14
I agree with what you are saying, but you seem to believe that Russian leaders have any qualms about Chainfire Mar 2022 #15
History Is Full Of Dictators Who Overplayed Their Hand modrepub Mar 2022 #18
Well certainly leaders fail. Chainfire Mar 2022 #25
Just looked it up, Russia's population is 144m (2020). brush Mar 2022 #26
That may change depending on what number 8 on your list decides to do if P gets in a jam. Chainfire Mar 2022 #27
Thanks. I had to edit. It's not in the top 8. It's number 9. brush Mar 2022 #36
So far, mercenaries from Syria, Chechnya, and South Africa? keithbvadu2 Mar 2022 #16
Yes, that is scary. War hardened military as opposed to the raw Russian recruits. LiberalLovinLug Mar 2022 #28
The elite troops are being held back as a "palace guard" - when things get rough in the old USSR. erronis Mar 2022 #24
It's called ... Straw Man Mar 2022 #43
Large exercises in Norway are getting going right now relayerbob Mar 2022 #62
From your keyboard, 3Hotdogs Mar 2022 #12
From your keyboard to karma's ear! SheltieLover Mar 2022 #13
One would hope this to be accurate. n/t. NNadir Mar 2022 #17
The neocon (ex?) Francis Fukuyama does not exactly have the greatest predictive track record. Celerity Mar 2022 #33
Thanks. I didn't notice it was him. I almost logged into a lecture he was giving but happily... NNadir Mar 2022 #44
lol Celerity Mar 2022 #45
Icing on the cake..... multigraincracker Mar 2022 #19
...and people fighting over sugar in Moscow. roamer65 Mar 2022 #21
Shoot, people were fighting over toilet paper here not too long ago. BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #23
good point. We are a very aggressive, selfish lot. Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #39
This is a very good piece by Fukuyama. I remember his involvement with the NeoCons /Reagan erronis Mar 2022 #29
The Russian and Chinese strategies in WW2 were to trade land for time AZLD4Candidate Mar 2022 #30
My sons are rappers. They bought a lot of their beats from a young man from Russia. Mr. Ected Mar 2022 #31
He may be right about all of this, I have no way of knowing FakeNoose Mar 2022 #40
No XiJung Mar 2022 #46
LOL honest.abe Mar 2022 #49
Really, which parts? n/t XiJung Mar 2022 #51
Really, which parts support your comment? honest.abe Mar 2022 #54
All of them XiJung Mar 2022 #56
LOL.. I thought so. honest.abe Mar 2022 #57
You think that? n/t XiJung Mar 2022 #58
I am done with you once again. honest.abe Mar 2022 #59
Don't go away mad XiJung Mar 2022 #63
Be careful of wishful thinking n/t XiJung Mar 2022 #53
Putin should be preparing for defeat. CaptainTruth Mar 2022 #47
He's already lost. honest.abe Mar 2022 #48
One month from now, fill us on on how this prediction went dwayneb Mar 2022 #50
Pulverizing Ukraine is not winning. honest.abe Mar 2022 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #60
I think if Moscow doesn't achieve a tactical, media victory by end-of-April, it's over. Torchlight Mar 2022 #52
Thanks for the link to the article relayerbob Mar 2022 #61
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